We met socially and under the strict conditions that everything was confidential. (Sort of).
Nobody had any agenda, especially me. She knew what I did and I know what she did and we were cool with that. I didn't expect anything nor even wanted to encourage anything and if anyting happened otherwise, then OK, nobody is compromised. It's all out in the open.
We met in a quirky, almsot funny manner. Like Woody Allen material, funny. I was on BART heading into the city to meet up with a shrink who was a good friend of a friend. A person who knew about my issues in life and called me one day out of the blue and told me to go get help. They could see I was depressed and despondent and only barely functional and operative and they insisted for me to talk to someone. I was hesitant at first but I agreed to go, I'm a big boy, I can handle anything, plus, well, talking was cool and I could use the help. I wasn't totally down but I needed some therapy and I was emotionally a wreck so why not. Right? Right.
So I'm downtown one day and headed up to the Sutter-Stockton area, near Union Square. I remember distinctly that area where all the doctors buildings are because years ago I went with my mother to escort her to the office. It was always on a Thursday morning. Remember it like yesterday.
So before I go to the therapist, I had time. Lots of time. I didn't want to be late so I stopped by a coffee place and had a cup. Had thirty minutes to kill. I was dressed in a suit and tie which is standard fare for me since after the session (thirty minutes) I figured I'd be dressed and professional looking in case I should want to relax and chill before going back to Oakland. Logical.
Cassie (not her real name) was sitting in the back of the place. I went back to use the boy's room and took a glance and smiled innocuously, nothing weird or outrageous, I swear. As I came out, she was still there reading a book, checking her phone, (naturally) and all the while, I'm at the front checking my watch and taking a more extended look at her. I wasn't staring at her, mind you, more just a concentrated glance. But she definately noticed and that made it sort of awkward so I went over and tried to explain.
"Look," I told her, "I didn't mean to make you feel uncomfortable, I'm sorry, you just kind of stood out." She began laughing and told me it was cool and no need to apologize, her words.
I went into improvise gear. No reason why but I figured I had nothinng to lose and it was getting near the time of my appt. with the therapist. "Miss, I told her (Cass) I have a 'business meeting' (bullshit) with a friend and I need to go--'I know this is crazy but can you stay here or can I meet you in 45 minutes? You look really cool and incredibly real."
She said she had to go back to work but that maybe we could meet later for a beer at some other place. Fine. She had a ring on. I told her I didn't want to get her in trouble (as if were going to split and go to her place). She started laughing again. Like a real huge laugh.
She told me not to worry and that she had a relationship and that we were just meeting, it was cool. Nothing more than that. I agreed. She asked if I could meet at 4: 30, she was getting off work early. My appt. was 3: 30 (the real meeting not the shrink meeting) so that would work.
So I leave and head to the therapist for d-day. It was a generic-looking office. Upstairs on the 5th-floor in one of those offices. I walked in, provided my insurance info to the office assistant, filled out papers and met the therapist. Clinical therapist. Nice lady, I went in and sat down. Nothing out of the extreme but I immediately knew there was no way I was going to connect with this person--there was just this instant lack of interest (on my part), and why kid myself, I thought. She was nice and friendly but there was no use to carry on and she felt it as much. I figured if I told her right away she'd understand and let me go and get on with her own end of day. Mind you, yes, the woman at the coffee place was on my mind but at the same time, I felt a total disconnect with the doctor. Right away. Why bullshit, I thought and I told her. The doctor appreciated my honesty and said everything was fine and that if I changed my mind, give her a call and we could meet.
I got a text from Cass. She was running late (naturally) and that she'd be there but not unti 5, at least. Wonderful, what was I to do but I really had no choice and given that I didn't even meet with the therapist, oh well, go with it.
It was 4: 50 already and she (Cass) was nowhere to be seen. I was Ok with that, well, not OK, but I figured it was a chance encounter anyway and that she'd probably forget me and went her way and that was that. 4: 50 became 5 and then 5 became 5: 15 and I was heading out the door. Then, suddenly,...
"Hey mister, where are you going?" "Cass?!" And before you knew it, she was there. Out of nowhere.
We sat down at the middle of the bar. She apologized for being late and that she had a client that could only meet her at a certain time and that she had to be there. I told her it was all good and that it was great for us to meet and have a drink, no issues whatsover. After all, I didn't really know her and vice-versa, right? Bingo.
"What do you do?", she asked. "PR and communications, media-wise", I said. "What do you do," I asked her. "I'm a therapist" No way I thought. I began laughing uncontrollably.
She looked at me increduously, as if I was some guy from another universe. At this point I just had another sip of the beer and carried on. Didn't say a word and thought this could only happen to me.
"You know what, I'm going to be frank with you, Cass, this whole thing makes no sense." A. how me met. B. the idea that I cancelled out on a shrink (partly to be here) and C. here I am meeting this woman and, turns out, she's a shrink! Is this real? It is.
I fessed up and gave her the truth and that there was no business meeting and that I was meeting with a professional. And that my life was screwed up and that I was dealing with severe depression and that all this needed to come out and that's the truth.She had another serious look and another laugh too. She said this was quite an encounter and that I looked normal and that on the surface she'd have never considered me having any issues in my life. I told her I was a good actor and could internalize some things, but truth be told, I had complications and that I was really fucked up.
She was a professional at that point and told me, of course, that she was unable to really talk specifically as a code of conduct. So again, I didn't know what to think anymore. Should I have kept my mouth shut and just carried on? Sure but I didn't. Besides, she already had a boyfriend anyway and we met in a totally freakish way. It was good thinking on my part to be honest.
She asked me more generic things; we did a little idle chit-chat. I had another beer. She had a second glass of wine. It was weird again, but in a good way. I had no agenda, just thought she was really attractive and had an amazing smile. And damn, she's in a relationship. My luck but whatever. I'm a troubled sob anyway, it's just as well. I expected her to leave because day was becomming night and I started to feel morose. For no good reason but that's me.
"Cass, what's the deal, you're still here, don't you have a significant other in your life?" She told me they were having a little trouble in their relationship and decided to take a pause. She also told me she cared for the guy but that it wasn't anything more than a really close friendship.
I was perplexed over all of this. I didn't know what to make of it but I also didn't want to go deep into detail. Too old for that. She was beautiful, probably in her mid-to-late 30's , 40's, but I don't know ages well these days. In any event, she still wasn't leaving. "You tryin' to 'kick me out?'" "Well, no, but don't you have a life? (Giggles) Me: "I sure as hell don't." (More mutual laughs).
I know what you're thinking now. I was tempted to go all out but I'm older now and didn't need any more drama in my life so I did my best to defer. It wasn't as if she was making any direct move on me (so to speak) and I wasn't in any way shape or form hitting on her. Seriously. I know it's hard to believe but it was straight A business and no you-know-what which was fine with me both because it added to the overall allure and I (she too) seemed to like the fact that I wasn't directly trying to...
We left. She went her separate way. I got a card but I didn't call her because I just didn't have the will. Maybe I'm a fool, (of course) and figured it was just as well. I also reckoned that had I told her all of my various issues, she'd have nothing to do with me anyway and I don't need another broken heart. Don't need anymore rejection (story of my life) and that I'd had enough. Paging Woody Allen.
It probably could have taken place but I'm a fatalist, I'm jinxed. Like the Patrick Swayze character (Sam) in Ghost--when good things happen, suddenly, bad things happen.
I miss Cass quite a bit. She seemed so nice and cool. And we seemed to laugh a lot and she appeared to like me but life thinks otherwise. Which is, (probably) just as well.
I don’t want to be anonymous but I could not get around the entry. My name is also Rich and I am also from Oakland. Rich you are a sick piece of shit and you need help.
ReplyDeleteMy God, Rich Lieberman has to be the most pathetic, clueless, unattached male on the planet.
ReplyDelete@2:57- Dang, why do you say that? I think Rich tried the best he could in this situation. The woman had a boyfriend, and in this day in age, you hate to take a risk in talking to a woman that already has a boyfriend, which could lead to more problems. What happens if Rich would've ran into her boyfriend somehow?
DeleteWhat would you have done in this situation that Rich described here?
Call. Her.Now.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this. What the hell do you have to lose? She's a babe. she seems to like you, her "relationship is probably kaput. To avoid broken heart, break it in ADVANCE. You're good at that but then you can go in without expectations and not be hurt by a "We're just FRIENDS" announcement. Ignore the assholes and so something good for YOU. Fuck the haters.
DeleteCall her! She could turn out to be a friend and everyone needs a friend. Life is short and tomorrow isnt promised. You have nothing to lose. Don't think with little head, use the one attached to your shoulders! 8)
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ReplyDeleteGood read Rich, don't know how long ago this was but she did give you a card, it could of meant something. Maybe she miss you too .
ReplyDeleteWow, thanks Rich for sharing. I think a lot of us guys can relate. This is almost like how online dates turn out. You meet in person for the first time, things seem to go well, then you both go your separate ways once both sides kind of realize that things probably won't go past that meet up.
ReplyDeleteThat's cool she gave you her card though. I would be happy to even get a freakin' text back after an online date.... Like some of the others have said, maybe give her a call or maybe text her, check up on her, and maybe see if you both can hangout again and/or have drinks, or maybe have lunch or something like that. Food entices women these days. Maybe do a small meetup where you can reconnect and catch up and see if you can rekindle that flame.
Thanks again Rich for sharing.
"Food entices women these days." Seriously? I can buy my own pastrami on rye, thank you very much. How about sincerity, intelligemce and humor. You might want to rethink your dating profile, honey. There's much more to it than that
Delete@6:44- Sorry if that seemed mean spirited but nowadays you do have to get women food to at least talk to them. So many women in their online dating profiles mention food or feeding them. It's crazy. That's what I meant by what I put in my post.
DeleteOh yes for sure, I definitely want a woman that is sincere, intelligent, and has a good sense of humor, and I'm sure Rich would want that in a woman as well. Sounds like the woman he described here is a great woman.
But yes, sorry for what I said or if it touched a nerve, but I agree with you. It's more to it than just the food aspect.
Yeah, you should definitely call her!
ReplyDeleteYou are so weird Rich. Scale of 1 to 10, 10 being happiest, where are you at 2 maybe 3. Get happy bro!
ReplyDeleteAnyone as hateful as he could not possibly maintain a healthy relationship. He hides his venom under the cloak of "truth" yet encourages misogyny toward women in media. Plus, he has "mommy issues." Any woman worth her salt would run like a faucet.
DeleteOne way to interpret what happened is that you were looking for a shrink you had rapport with, and you found a shrink you had rapport with.
ReplyDeleteBut if you interpreted the rapport you had as romantic interest, you were likely making a mistake.
You might want to work on your depression before you go back out in the dating pool.
As someone that have dealt with depression years ago, that might be good advice. However, I was depressed when I was getting divorced, even though I wanted the divorce, one reason I was depressed, because my social life was changing, married friend, either stayed away or didn't know how to relate. So I went out, and joined a club, I didn't act depressed when I was out and eventually I made new and some lifelong friends and also started to date and I was no longer depressed.
DeleteAs someone that saw a therapist for quite a while a years ago, actually 2 therapist, the first one I saw for about 8 months or so, they other for a few years off an on. I definitely liked the second one better, and felt more of a connection with her, but it did not happen instantly, I was skeptical at first, but warmed up after a few sessions.
DeleteSo I would not give up so fast Rich, at least try another therapist, preferable someone recommended by someone you trust. Therapy helped me a lot, even years after I stopped going.
Sometimes there are no words. I feel bad for you. Wait. No, I don't. You're a schmuck.
ReplyDeleteFor a moment thought this was a circa 1977 story and you’d see Karl Malden and Jerry Jensen hamming it up at the other end of the bar with a young Terry Lowry.
ReplyDeleteIgnore the nay sayers; at least you gave it a shot and these days that takes a lot of nerve. Goog luck.
ReplyDeleteYou should call her. What's the worst that can happen?
ReplyDeleteYOUR WRITING ON THIS ARTICLE IS SUPERB. YOUR BEST WRITING EVER. DO A FOLLOW-UP ARTICLE SOON.
ReplyDeleteThis was banal... are you trying to catch up with frank sommerville in inappropriate & stupid posts?
ReplyDeleteHow is this a story? Every therapist in the Bay Area wants to give Rich their card.
ReplyDeleteCass (not my real name)
ReplyDeleteCall me you stupid fuck!
'woulda coulda shoulda'
ReplyDelete'If at first you don't succeed, try try again'
'Nothing ventured nothing gained'
'Put yourself out there'
And exactly how is this a 'vial' story?
ReplyDeleteYou seem to be addicted to depression.
Happiness can be a choice, Rich.
Maybe choose it once in a while.
I don't understand the rude comments on here. This was a very well-written and relatable story. I say call her. What have you got to lose? And keep us posted!
ReplyDeleteGood story. Call her. What do you have to lose?
ReplyDeleteDear Penthouse Forum…
ReplyDeleteShe seemed interested in you Rich. She put out the effort to meet you after work. You should feel flattered. You might want to connect with her and invite her out for dinner.
ReplyDeleteHilariously fake OR just a therapist trying to get you to pay for her time. Either way this sucks, you’re a loser, go away
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