Before The Second Great Depression wiped out my last job, I ran newspapers and radio stations' news departments. What I see now has to do with gutting newsrooms, both i print and broadcast, of people my age in favor of younger and more inexperienced professionals who haven't had to pay their dues like the pros of my generation. It's called cost-cutting. This is just the beginning of what we get. If we had real independent media in broadcast and print, Rich would not be the only one pointing this out.
I'm telling you, it's not this bad in markets where the cost of living is lower and labor laws are more employer friendly. The folks doing the work obviously do not have English as their native language. Go to Cleveland, fire up WJW (their Fox affiliate) and you won't see this but here again it doesn't cost a million bucks to live there. The cost of living, progressive culture and political correctness color everything that happens here...and that's a major part of the reason everything seems so screwed up and out of focus all the time. I'm headed to Ohio in three weeks for a class reunion, looking forward to being with people who can think straight and aren't trying to convince everyone around them that they're really someone else for an entire week!
I wouldn't generalize, Rootvg. I'm from small markets. Much lower cost of living than Bay Area. Labor laws never entered into the success or failure of the news ops I ran in print and broadcast. In the markets I've been in, multiple weekly newspapers have closed, the "daily" is now a police/fire/CHP news release factory with staff 1/8 what it was 15 years ago. For newspapers, the downturn started in the 1980s when grocery chains and markets began advertising in "shoppers" and direct mail. ROP ads (mostly grocery stores where I lived) were newspapers' main sources of income. I could go on and on about the cost of newsprint, too, cost of running a press, cost of paying for home delivery, etc., but that would bore you all. Suffice it to say: printed newspapers are dinosaurs. Most will soon be extinct. You can't blame newspapers' demise on politics. I've seen the same thing occur with radio stations in the areas where I grew up, lived and worked and they primary reason they are suffering is the downturn in the economy because the area I am from is resource rich but those resources are now imported, leaving people out of work and causing businesses to close and an entire industry to nearly shut down. That's why you can't generalize. That's why you shouldn't turn this into a political blame game.
Maybe I'm full of shit but there's only one way to find out. I'll keep a sharp eye out when I'm home. July and August are very quiet months back there so there shouldn't be too much traffic to get out and about. We'll see.
So, hey...is there anything you guys want? Some stadium mustard or Mrs Weiss polish noodles from Cleveland? The teams suck but the food is great not to mention cheap and the people very unpretentious. I'm even taking some limited distribution wine we bought in Sonoma the other week. They'll go nuts over that.
Rootvg...you ARE full of shit. I have worked at KTVU since 1992. Deregulation in 2001 paved the way for companies to gut their production staffs. The Cox Corporate edict back them was exactly this "We are willing to accept a drop in quality for an acceptable head count". Since corporate tactics assume incorrectly that labor is a negative cost and not a resource, you end up wrecking the business model and revenues suffer. Of course the corporate office sees this as a diminishing return, so what is their response? To cut back further on staff. They will never ever entertain the thought that they are wrong. Don't worry rootvg, plenty of white people at KTVU in the newsroom still. A bunch of youngens from small markets like where you came from (most of your posts include references to high cost of living and phoney people here)..and they are the ones who can't master spellings and geography and other pertinent information. It is obvious you want to make a case for right to work states and conservative "business friendly " environments in the flyover state from whence you came. I guess some of the unsophisticated people here who think they know how tv and radio stations and newspapers are run may buy your ignorance, but I guess your rant only plays in markets below 50...probably from where you are from....do you miss Eerie PA? If you can't make it all the way back there...stop in the Central Valley and set up camp....you'll find the education level and cost of living and political mindset to your liking.
Dear 4:45: the newspapers I ran were considered "conservative." The radio stations were considered "conservative." Radio station ran Rush, Savage, on one station and Medved, Hannity, etc. on the other, etc. All my newspapers ran conservative columnists. Our editorials were conservative. My columns were conservative. You might want to revisit your liberal media fallacy and reconsider. Not all of us journalists are liberals. Not all editors are liberal. Today's media free-fall has more to do with corporate ownership and hiring of kids right out of school who can't spell, etc. On radio, it has to do with monopolistic ownership. I do agree that many major media are liberal. Look at the stations/newspapers that are ignoring the IRS scandal. However, as a conservative and professional journalist with many years in the field.
It's far worse than this. Almost every night they have errors in their supers and full-screens. Sometimes it's just inverted letters and misspellings (San Fransicso, Pubic Intoxication, 4-Allarm Fire) sometimes it's a disagreement between the graphic and the copy (anchor says suspect's car was a 2013 Ford Fusion, graphic says a 2003 Ford Fusion, anchor says the event starts at 10 am and goes to 6 pm, graphic says event starts at 6 am and goes to 10 pm), sometimes it's an incorrect or inappropriate visual image (the Starbucks fiasco) sometimes it's the number of or order of bullet points disagrees with what the anchor reads, sometimes it's the completely wrong graphic for a story (a house burns to the ground and we see a graphic of puppies in a field). College and high school stations do a better job than this. Everyone in KTVU management should be fired immediately and not given any "golden parachutes" when they go. They have taken literally the best local news station in the U.S. and turned it into sub-par high school closed circuit TV.
Our high school and college closed circuit stations were better than this. Compare KTVU to WNEO/WEAO (public television for NE Ohio, affiliated with Kent State University where Pig Vomit did his grad work) and it's not even close.
WVIZ also has good people on staff. The product they put out doesn't look anywhere near as polished as KQED (they don't have wealthy Baby Boomers naming them in their wills) but they do a fair job with the resources available. The coverage is evenhanded, dare I say fair! I was surprised.
Can't wait to see the posts about Rich beating a dead horse. But hey, it's embarrassing. It's the truth. How can you trust a news source that pays no attention to detail? How can you trust a news source that insists on hiring inexperienced amateurs to do the job of professionals?
Gee, did KTVU outsource the graphics people from India too?
The number of errors he's come up with over an extended period of time isn't particularly shocking. Essentially he's been beating that tired old, Asiana dead horse for almost a year now and nothings come of it.
If they're bringing him in to get KSFO off their books and put the good stuff on KGO, that's almost certainly a winner at some level. I can't ever see Sussman on the blow torch but Savage? Yeah, sure. Batchelor, Kudlow, Brinker? Absolutely. Levin? HA HA HA HA - someone in Noe Valley's gonna have an early coronary and blame it on Pig Vomit!
I would also tell you I can't see Ronn sticking around for this, having his show appear on the same station with some of those other characters. Maybe he just needs the money that badly. Didn't he save anything? The man should be rolling in it.
Would love to see Savage on KGO holding up a big middle.finger to the Dems in the Bay Area. They've had their run. They've sucked everything dry. It's time for a change. And by change I don't mean importing millions for the votes while turning their backs on the constituents that have kept them in power all these years. When will current Dems learn they're just pawns?
He did a management grad program there according to his LinkedIn page and I would assume that's where he made all those contacts in Cleveland media. Kent is the big liberal arts university in NE Ohio, known for its media program. They also have some of the nicest library facilities in the region.
Also noticed that Kevin's not a young man. One would think the Dickeys would recruit someone younger and closer in age to their target demographic. He was at Clear Channel ten years, no doubt has broken bread with a few folks I still know from there.
Given the difference in culture, I have to agree with those who say his tenure here won't end well. San Francisco is not Cleveland or Chicago. The Dickeys must be awfully damn desperate. I don't think he's gonna fit.
For what ever reason, business will hire persons who do not speak English and were not born in this country. It is not always a matter of low pay. It is a matter of the people they want to hire and what we get is the mess which is happening in the topic. It pisses me off when I go into a store the person who is serving me can't speak English and the salesperson gets pissed at me for not understanding them. Business will continue to hire the persons they want vs. persons who can do the job.
So what if Rich brings this matter forward. Nothing is going to change.
There are still places where it isn't this way, where people won't permit it. We bought a Select Comfort bed during a trip to Columbus, ordered it in the store and had it shipped, no language or culture issues AT ALL.
As far as the salesperson being pissed, who cares? They're not entitled to your money - and there's that word again, entitlement. I've reached the point where I'm very much on guard for and aware of the whole Bay Area/pampered upper middle class kid/sigh-and-eyeroll thing in restaurants and retail establishments. One whiff of it and they get a look from me that could slice through concrete. I'm sick of this shit.
> It pisses me off when I go into a store the person who is serving me can't > speak English and the salesperson gets pissed at me for not understanding > them.
It pisses me off more when it's on the telephone, on a bad connection with the other person wearing a headset with feedback loops. And they get annoyed that you can't understand them.
Recently I needed to order a book as a birthday present and needed it fast, after Amazon sent me the wrong thing. I called a local bookstore that did one-day turn-around orders, which was amazing in itself, but even more wonderful was the woman who answered the phone was--I don't care how racist this sounds--white, educated, older middle-aged, spoke perfect and clear English. She was talking to me on a regular receiver, not a handset or piece of plastic clipped to her ear picking up all sorts of distortions. She was polite, said thank you, got everything right, and reminded me what doing business in America used to be like, and not that very long ago.
Again, don't care how racist this comes across. You're expected to speak the language in other countries when you do business over there or else you're pegged the "ugly American." Why can't we have the same standards for people here?
If you want to find a place that's still devoid of the whole politically correct Third World culture thing, try upstate New York or central Pennsylvania. I could take you places there that most people think no longer exist. State College is the home of Penn State (a very big school in a very small place) and for a university town it's still sort of pasty and white bread. Engineering, sciences and computer science are hot tickets and you can bet your ass those kids are in school to WORK, not protest. They don't have time to eat much less drink, screw their significant other or stand around with a sign thinking they can change the world by eating the right cheese and carrying a bacteria infested cloth bag back and forth to the local Wegmans.
Anon, what would you say if I said yes? What in the hell would you do about it? What would you say if my wife and friends are all very likely to agree with me?
There are more of us than there are of you. Know that and understand it.
My father and his family are from Lewistown. He grew up on Valley Street which was a middle class neighborhood in those days and is a slum today. I know the place inside out and yeah...the kids at State can be morons but most of the time are not. It's an excellent option for an east coast state supported university. I think about half of the meteorologists currently on television earned their degrees there. It's always been a popular place and always will be.
While my last hands on experience with TV news is 20 years ago I can tell you that nobody where I worked-KING, ABC Network, NBC Network and CBS Net-had any problem pointing out bad supers, misspelled works in copy or even bad syntax. I was the sound mixer and read everything on my scripts and if something was wrong I'd sing out. What's different today?
@4:31 What's different today? Well, there are no more sound mixers, or copy editors, or associate producers, and at some stations, no video editors (or just a few). The producer is now expected to be a writer and a "twitter updater," and the writer is expected to be a desk-top video editor, and make the lower-thirds and full screens. These are no longer made in the graphics department at most stations. Most EPs are too busy kissing butt cheeks to check the copy. So most of the time, the writer, and maybe the producer, are the only two people who ever check the graphics. Both people are under pressure to do more, do it faster, and do it with less. Speed over accuracy.
All those people have gotten laid off is the problem. And the people who are there are the same illiterate idiots who can't even text 140 characters to their BFFS without ridiculous spelling and syntax. Today's "broadcasters" are ignorant and unschooled, having just come out of some diploma mill clutching their "communications" degree like it means something more than they are qualified to make a double-shot at Starbucks.
Is it me or if the late great Benny Hill were latin, would he resemble Mexico's National Team Soccer Coach Miguel Herrera, especially when Herrera celebrates a goal?
I feel like Dave Clark is reading the news like a bed time story or a fairytale, complete with bad grammar and mispronounced words. Once upon a time........there was a stabbing! When is his contract up? Brian Flores is not ready as well, as well,as well, as well.
I believe that Dave Clark does a great job and is the keystone for the morning group. I enjoy his delivery. I never once heard bad grammar or mispronounced words from Dave. Maybe you should get your ears cleaned.
"Anon, what would you say if I said yes? What in the hell would you do about it? What would you say if my wife and friends are all very likely to agree with me?
There are more of us than there are of you. Know that and understand it."
Count me in! I'm washing the sheets in anticipation!
Before The Second Great Depression wiped out my last job, I ran newspapers and radio stations' news departments. What I see now has to do with gutting newsrooms, both i print and broadcast, of people my age in favor of younger and more inexperienced professionals who haven't had to pay their dues like the pros of my generation. It's called cost-cutting. This is just the beginning of what we get. If we had real independent media in broadcast and print, Rich would not be the only one pointing this out.
ReplyDeleteI'm telling you, it's not this bad in markets where the cost of living is lower and labor laws are more employer friendly. The folks doing the work obviously do not have English as their native language. Go to Cleveland, fire up WJW (their Fox affiliate) and you won't see this but here again it doesn't cost a million bucks to live there. The cost of living, progressive culture and political correctness color everything that happens here...and that's a major part of the reason everything seems so screwed up and out of focus all the time. I'm headed to Ohio in three weeks for a class reunion, looking forward to being with people who can think straight and aren't trying to convince everyone around them that they're really someone else for an entire week!
DeleteI wouldn't generalize, Rootvg. I'm from small markets. Much lower cost of living than Bay Area. Labor laws never entered into the success or failure of the news ops I ran in print and broadcast. In the markets I've been in, multiple weekly newspapers have closed, the "daily" is now a police/fire/CHP news release factory with staff 1/8 what it was 15 years ago. For newspapers, the downturn started in the 1980s when grocery chains and markets began advertising in "shoppers" and direct mail. ROP ads (mostly grocery stores where I lived) were newspapers' main sources of income. I could go on and on about the cost of newsprint, too, cost of running a press, cost of paying for home delivery, etc., but that would bore you all. Suffice it to say: printed newspapers are dinosaurs. Most will soon be extinct. You can't blame newspapers' demise on politics. I've seen the same thing occur with radio stations in the areas where I grew up, lived and worked and they primary reason they are suffering is the downturn in the economy because the area I am from is resource rich but those resources are now imported, leaving people out of work and causing businesses to close and an entire industry to nearly shut down. That's why you can't generalize. That's why you shouldn't turn this into a political blame game.
DeleteMaybe I'm full of shit but there's only one way to find out. I'll keep a sharp eye out when I'm home. July and August are very quiet months back there so there shouldn't be too much traffic to get out and about. We'll see.
DeleteThis is what happens with your liberal media both in broadcast and print. Root and anon are dead on.
DeleteSo, hey...is there anything you guys want? Some stadium mustard or Mrs Weiss polish noodles from Cleveland? The teams suck but the food is great not to mention cheap and the people very unpretentious. I'm even taking some limited distribution wine we bought in Sonoma the other week. They'll go nuts over that.
DeleteRootvg...you ARE full of shit. I have worked at KTVU since 1992. Deregulation in 2001 paved the way for companies to gut their production staffs. The Cox Corporate edict back them was exactly this "We are willing to accept a drop in quality for an acceptable head count". Since corporate tactics assume incorrectly that labor is a negative cost and not a resource, you end up wrecking the business model and revenues suffer. Of course the corporate office sees this as a diminishing return, so what is their response? To cut back further on staff. They will never ever entertain the thought that they are wrong.
DeleteDon't worry rootvg, plenty of white people at KTVU in the newsroom still. A bunch of youngens from small markets like where you came from (most of your posts include references to high cost of living and phoney people here)..and they are the ones who can't master spellings and geography and other pertinent information.
It is obvious you want to make a case for right to work states and conservative "business friendly " environments in the flyover state from whence you came. I guess some of the unsophisticated people here who think they know how tv and radio stations and newspapers are run may buy your ignorance, but I guess your rant only plays in markets below 50...probably from where you are from....do you miss Eerie PA? If you can't make it all the way back there...stop in the Central Valley and set up camp....you'll find the education level and cost of living and political mindset to your liking.
Root, You should stay in Ohio with the rest of the idiotic/Joe the Plumber/like-minded/racist white folks. If you don't like it here, leave.
DeleteMind your own goddamn business. I'm here and I'm gonna say whatever the fuck I want and you will do exactly nothing about it.
DeleteDear 4:45: the newspapers I ran were considered "conservative." The radio stations were considered "conservative." Radio station ran Rush, Savage, on one station and Medved, Hannity, etc. on the other, etc. All my newspapers ran conservative columnists. Our editorials were conservative. My columns were conservative. You might want to revisit your liberal media fallacy and reconsider. Not all of us journalists are liberals. Not all editors are liberal. Today's media free-fall has more to do with corporate ownership and hiring of kids right out of school who can't spell, etc. On radio, it has to do with monopolistic ownership. I do agree that many major media are liberal. Look at the stations/newspapers that are ignoring the IRS scandal. However, as a conservative and professional journalist with many years in the field.
DeleteIt's far worse than this. Almost every night they have errors in their supers and full-screens. Sometimes it's just inverted letters and misspellings (San Fransicso, Pubic Intoxication, 4-Allarm Fire) sometimes it's a disagreement between the graphic and the copy (anchor says suspect's car was a 2013 Ford Fusion, graphic says a 2003 Ford Fusion, anchor says the event starts at 10 am and goes to 6 pm, graphic says event starts at 6 am and goes to 10 pm), sometimes it's an incorrect or inappropriate visual image (the Starbucks fiasco) sometimes it's the number of or order of bullet points disagrees with what the anchor reads, sometimes it's the completely wrong graphic for a story (a house burns to the ground and we see a graphic of puppies in a field). College and high school stations do a better job than this. Everyone in KTVU management should be fired immediately and not given any "golden parachutes" when they go. They have taken literally the best local news station in the U.S. and turned it into sub-par high school closed circuit TV.
ReplyDeleteOur high school and college closed circuit stations were better than this. Compare KTVU to WNEO/WEAO (public television for NE Ohio, affiliated with Kent State University where Pig Vomit did his grad work) and it's not even close.
DeleteHigh school and college stations at least have people who are somewhat educated there to do the work, not street people.
DeleteWVIZ also has good people on staff. The product they put out doesn't look anywhere near as polished as KQED (they don't have wealthy Baby Boomers naming them in their wills) but they do a fair job with the resources available. The coverage is evenhanded, dare I say fair! I was surprised.
DeleteCan't wait to see the posts about Rich beating a dead horse. But hey, it's embarrassing. It's the truth. How can you trust a news source that pays no attention to detail? How can you trust a news source that insists on hiring inexperienced amateurs to do the job of professionals?
ReplyDeleteGee, did KTVU outsource the graphics people from India too?
My guess would be, yeah...they did. It has that look.
DeleteLieberman IS beating a dead horse.
DeleteThe number of errors he's come up with over an extended period of time isn't particularly shocking. Essentially he's been beating that tired old, Asiana dead horse for almost a year now and nothings come of it.
Time to move on.
If they're bringing him in to get KSFO off their books and put the good stuff on KGO, that's almost certainly a winner at some level. I can't ever see Sussman on the blow torch but Savage? Yeah, sure. Batchelor, Kudlow, Brinker? Absolutely. Levin? HA HA HA HA - someone in Noe Valley's gonna have an early coronary and blame it on Pig Vomit!
DeleteI would also tell you I can't see Ronn sticking around for this, having his show appear on the same station with some of those other characters. Maybe he just needs the money that badly. Didn't he save anything? The man should be rolling in it.
Would love to see Savage on KGO holding up a big middle.finger to the Dems in the Bay Area. They've had their run. They've sucked everything dry. It's time for a change. And by change I don't mean importing millions for the votes while turning their backs on the constituents that have kept them in power all these years. When will current Dems learn they're just pawns?
DeletePoster at 3:08PM
DeleteRonn spent all his money on horse betting.
Go ask the gatekeepers at Golden Gate Fields.
Pig Vomit: Cagey-OOOOO!!
DeleteDis ees sum funny sheet.
ReplyDeleteGrad work for Pig Vomit? What from, "Stupidity 101"?
ReplyDeleteHe did a management grad program there according to his LinkedIn page and I would assume that's where he made all those contacts in Cleveland media. Kent is the big liberal arts university in NE Ohio, known for its media program. They also have some of the nicest library facilities in the region.
DeleteAlso noticed that Kevin's not a young man. One would think the Dickeys would recruit someone younger and closer in age to their target demographic. He was at Clear Channel ten years, no doubt has broken bread with a few folks I still know from there.
Given the difference in culture, I have to agree with those who say his tenure here won't end well. San Francisco is not Cleveland or Chicago. The Dickeys must be awfully damn desperate. I don't think he's gonna fit.
For what ever reason, business will hire persons who do not speak English and were not born in this country. It is not always a matter of low pay. It is a matter of the people they want to hire and what we get is the mess which is happening in the topic. It pisses me off when I go into a store the person who is serving me can't speak English and the salesperson gets pissed at me for not understanding them. Business will continue to hire the persons they want vs. persons who can do the job.
ReplyDeleteSo what if Rich brings this matter forward. Nothing is going to change.
There are still places where it isn't this way, where people won't permit it. We bought a Select Comfort bed during a trip to Columbus, ordered it in the store and had it shipped, no language or culture issues AT ALL.
DeleteAs far as the salesperson being pissed, who cares? They're not entitled to your money - and there's that word again, entitlement. I've reached the point where I'm very much on guard for and aware of the whole Bay Area/pampered upper middle class kid/sigh-and-eyeroll thing in restaurants and retail establishments. One whiff of it and they get a look from me that could slice through concrete. I'm sick of this shit.
> It pisses me off when I go into a store the person who is serving me can't
Delete> speak English and the salesperson gets pissed at me for not understanding
> them.
It pisses me off more when it's on the telephone, on a bad connection with the other person wearing a headset with feedback loops. And they get annoyed that you can't understand them.
Recently I needed to order a book as a birthday present and needed it fast, after Amazon sent me the wrong thing. I called a local bookstore that did one-day turn-around orders, which was amazing in itself, but even more wonderful was the woman who answered the phone was--I don't care how racist this sounds--white, educated, older middle-aged, spoke perfect and clear English. She was talking to me on a regular receiver, not a handset or piece of plastic clipped to her ear picking up all sorts of distortions. She was polite, said thank you, got everything right, and reminded me what doing business in America used to be like, and not that very long ago.
Again, don't care how racist this comes across. You're expected to speak the language in other countries when you do business over there or else you're pegged the "ugly American." Why can't we have the same standards for people here?
If you want to find a place that's still devoid of the whole politically correct Third World culture thing, try upstate New York or central Pennsylvania. I could take you places there that most people think no longer exist. State College is the home of Penn State (a very big school in a very small place) and for a university town it's still sort of pasty and white bread. Engineering, sciences and computer science are hot tickets and you can bet your ass those kids are in school to WORK, not protest. They don't have time to eat much less drink, screw their significant other or stand around with a sign thinking they can change the world by eating the right cheese and carrying a bacteria infested cloth bag back and forth to the local Wegmans.
DeleteVill you be joinink uz for ze rally ziz Friday, Klink?
DeleteAnon, what would you say if I said yes? What in the hell would you do about it? What would you say if my wife and friends are all very likely to agree with me?
DeleteThere are more of us than there are of you. Know that and understand it.
6:46. I WENT to Penn State. I can assure you it's as fucked up as any other school, and the kids are morons.
DeleteMy father and his family are from Lewistown. He grew up on Valley Street which was a middle class neighborhood in those days and is a slum today. I know the place inside out and yeah...the kids at State can be morons but most of the time are not. It's an excellent option for an east coast state supported university. I think about half of the meteorologists currently on television earned their degrees there. It's always been a popular place and always will be.
DeleteWhile my last hands on experience with TV news is 20 years ago I can tell you that nobody where I worked-KING, ABC Network, NBC Network and CBS Net-had any problem pointing out bad supers, misspelled works in copy or even bad syntax. I was the sound mixer and read everything on my scripts and if something was wrong I'd sing out.
ReplyDeleteWhat's different today?
@4:31 What's different today? Well, there are no more sound mixers, or copy editors, or associate producers, and at some stations, no video editors (or just a few). The producer is now expected to be a writer and a "twitter updater," and the writer is expected to be a desk-top video editor, and make the lower-thirds and full screens. These are no longer made in the graphics department at most stations. Most EPs are too busy kissing butt cheeks to check the copy. So most of the time, the writer, and maybe the producer, are the only two people who ever check the graphics. Both people are under pressure to do more, do it faster, and do it with less. Speed over accuracy.
DeleteAll those people have gotten laid off is the problem. And the people who are there are the same illiterate idiots who can't even text 140 characters to their BFFS without ridiculous spelling and syntax. Today's "broadcasters" are ignorant and unschooled, having just come out of some diploma mill clutching their "communications" degree like it means something more than they are qualified to make a double-shot at Starbucks.
DeleteIs it me or if the late great Benny Hill were latin, would he resemble Mexico's National Team Soccer Coach Miguel Herrera, especially when Herrera celebrates a goal?
ReplyDeleteI feel like Dave Clark is reading the news like a bed time story or a fairytale, complete with bad grammar and mispronounced words. Once upon a time........there was a stabbing! When is his contract up? Brian Flores is not ready as well, as well,as well, as well.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Dave Clark does a great job and is the keystone for the morning group. I enjoy his delivery. I never once heard bad grammar or mispronounced words from Dave. Maybe you should get your ears cleaned.
Delete@6:47 You must have missed Dave's "HAIRricaine" or "GARVenstein" apples? It does sound like he's reading to his children.
Delete"Anon, what would you say if I said yes? What in the hell would you do about it? What would you say if my wife and friends are all very likely to agree with me?
ReplyDeleteThere are more of us than there are of you. Know that and understand it."
Count me in! I'm washing the sheets in anticipation!