*The other figure in the would-be joint effort to get a portion of some of the pre-KGOne players back into a new property, (on FM, maybe) is a local broadcast impresario who has the money and organization.
Whether that translates into a deal is anyone's guess. We will know in the coming months.
*That alleged talk host, based in Long Beach can deny, deny all he wants about his dissing words of fellow host, Pat Thurston--he said 'em. Not only did Thurston know, but almost all of his minions did too. The red carpet Rupert Pupkin is a walking contradiction: he rails that the gay press ignores him. That he hates being referred to as "KGOne's openly gay host", yet brings up his sexuality almost every minute and embellishing it by stating that "I got laid last night." Putz.
And his supposed "contract?" That doesn't mean anything more, Rupert, unless it's a personal services deal and you ain't got that...And how delicious that your bosses told you not to mention my name. I guess "this little blog" has made its way into the Bungey mansion. Was Bungey invited to your red carpet show down in El Lay?
*The robotic mattress man still hasn't publicly said a word over the shakedown. Maybe he and Copey are devising plans to form a new two-man show: "Not a genuine combo."
*Vern Glenn, KPIX weekend sports anchor, working the Niners-Minn. Friday night game on the sideline did a pre-game report and called PBP-guy, Dennis O'Donnell, "Gary." Uh, oops. We'll give Vern a mulligan on that one.
*My policy on comments to this blog? No official policy. You get real, real personal and take it down a dark road, no, I won't pub it. Obscenities are OK as long as they aren't real gross. This isn't Mayberry. As far as some that border on the questionable taste dept., it's hit and miss. I'll make the decision. It's my place.
*KPIX: Don't make lots of money and get a little nervous if the head cheese doesn't like you. Unless of course you have leverage and viewers. To be fair, the latest move was not directly under the auspices of D.R.--that was a combo special from CBS NY corporate.
*The Three Stooges: Paul Hosely, Bungey and Jared Hart.
*The KGOne cume in the July book: MIA.
*"Celebrity Chef, Ryan Scott." --Yeah, cooking on radio makes a lot of sense. Then again, it beats the hell out of Montemanure --"EIGHT-ZERO-EIGHT-ZERO EIGHT TEN!" ...and the NY witch comedienne who must be in possession of serious compromising pictures. Talk about torture.
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Geraldo Rivera's show debuts today on 45 Cumulus stations...with 15 more in the next few months. Any word on Geraldo replacing Ronn when his contract is up?
ReplyDeleteIt won't happen. KGO would sooner replace Ronn with news than put Geraldo in that slot.
DeletePlease print this won't happen response and tape it to your monitor. My guess is Ronn doesn't make it to the end of his contract.
DeleteI'm fairly certain Ronn's last day is August 31, Geraldo Rivera will begin airing in the KGO 9am slot beginning Monday Sept 3.
Delete@10:46 have you been asleep for the last 9mos? of course cumulus replace Ronn with one of their syndicated programs.
Ryan Scott was off air this past Saturday which made for an ok show. Walcoff does good work and I was reminded of his news talk shows in the past. Very solid. As to Scott, he is what is wrong with the current Celebrity chef craze. It is all about self promotion. When he is on the show, it consists of him talking about his restaurants or having his buddies come in to promote their restaurants. Ryan Scott and the flamboyant Joel Riddel are neck and neck on food show awfulness. One is a shameless self promoter and the other is a trade out extraordinaire.
ReplyDeleteWalcoff does nothing for me.
ReplyDeleteRonn Owens is even derivative of himself today: another guest who is a white, middle aged, liberal Jewish male.
Hey, I love Rothman and Savage... but where is the diversity!!??
Who was the guest? Celebrity Harvard professor Alan Derschowitz peddling another book? Lol
DeleteAuthor Howard Steven Friedman, who wrote The Measure of a Nation.
DeleteMy policy on comments to this blog? No official policy. ... I'll make the decision. It's my place.
ReplyDeleteSo you present feedback from readers at your own discretion and have no obligation publish to present posts that disagree with your personal opinion? There is no pretense of editorial neutrality?
um, no. You've been told up front, and have you read ANY of Rich's posts? Neutrality? It only exists as a pretense. Please cite a "neutral" outlet.
DeleteOh my god! Oh no! The end of journalism as we know it in America!
DeleteDean,
DeleteNewspapers distinguish between news and editorial opinion. When they publish reader's letters(or other communications, these days), they attempt to present a representative sample, not just the ones that they agree with.
My point is that since Rich is not attempting to publish a representative sampling of reader's feedback, he needs to make that fact known, as he just has. Otherwise he creates a distorted picture about the extent of consensus with his own personal agenda.
Ultimately it's clear that this is not journalism.
Interesting days. Greg Jarrett apparently found an old KGO business card and posted, it on FB, lamenting the demise. I jumped in a number of times and a soldier in the Hosely army jumped in telling me not to believe everything I read from blogging trolls. I let her know that my ill informed views were completely my own. Should have asked who she meant by trolls....but....oh never mind. Just a little amusement.
ReplyDeleteummmmm, no.
ReplyDeleteWhat Rich said is that as long as the comments aren't of a personal nature or in questionable taste, it gets published.
Your comment got published, didn't it, you douchebag!
Go back to kissing Bungerhole's ass
No, he didn't say that. What he said was "I'll make the decision. It's my place."
DeleteBasically he decides which one's he'll publish and which he won't, which is certainly his prerogative since this is his blog. So long as he makes that clear, and he has.
Why do Rich's fans so often resort to name calling and what is this paranoid nonsense about Bunger or whoever that is?
DeleteMr. Lieberman:
ReplyDeleteI'm soon to disconnect from your blog and Facebook posts because your rants are out of control.
- If you wish to comment about and inform us about the local TV and radio scene, please do. Yet when your emotions and rage overwhelm the information basis of this blog, your thoughts and writing become harsh, scattered and difficult to read and comprehend.
Tom
At times he does seem to be driven by his emotions, particularly in regard to a few specific individuals and organizations.
DeleteLiberman's Radnich animosity is out of control as if he's consumed by jealousy.
DeleteHere's a good idea, Tom: go start your own boring version of Rich's blog, without opinion or emotion. It should be very interesting. I'm sure we'll all check in and comment every day.
DeleteSigned,
Not Rich
Is it just me, or does it seem like this whole thread show that there is a full moon? Where are these people coming from? I really don't think Jared is capable of some of these posts, and doubt they have other employees that could do this..very strange.
DeleteHey, Tom, 11:46.
DeletePoint: Don't let the door hit you in your big fat ass as you "disconnect" from the blog. What chickenshit ... "I'm soon to disconnect from your blog and Facebook."
Hit it, dude. You aren't being forced to read this blog, the nonsense, the fact or the speculation. You're off to the cosmos.
What a pain in the ass. Harsh? Scattered? Difficult to read? Way over your pay-scale, maybe? Then hit any number of blogs more to your suiting. You won't be missed. Have anything juicy to contribute? We're all eyes and ears.
Give the schlub a break. He's doing it for free and doing a decent job about it. He's entitled to his opinion -- right, wrong or indifferent -- and we all have raised eyebrows on what is said, from time to time -- but pull that high horse over to the hitchin' post, cowboy. You've not been around this rodeo very long.
Rich keep up the rants. We love em.
DeleteEspecially the rants against the juvenile crowd at KNBR 680 (5:00am-9:00am).
When I think of KGO "good old days," names that come to mind include Gene Burns and Pete Wilson. Obviously, we are not getting those voices back. The only other missing voices are John Rothmann, Gil Gross, Bill Wattenberg and Ray Taliafero. Even if all those were back, it would not be the KGO I miss.
ReplyDeleteHey Rich: You allow ANONYMOUS posters.. YOU select which comments get posted.. you do not allow unrestricted rebuttal or correction.. you post slanderous "anonymous" comments. When you do get sued (it will happen) you will lose everything. Which we all realize isn't much since you have to beg for money - bottomline, this proves you have NO standards, you do not understand the basic principles of journalism or fairness.
ReplyDeleteLike you said 1142 HE takes the risks.What more do you want out of Rich?. So,hold dear your fantasy Rich gets sued. And that other fantasy you have about guns and a movie theater. Your types just dream of shootouts..
DeleteIt's another Bungey troll!!
DeleteThis has been well adjudicated: Rich will not get sued, and if he does, he'll win.
About lawsuits...what's up with Barbieri's against SCUMulus
Someone should ask these Bungey trolls about how Bungerhole got fired from Cumulus in 2000 for several accounting irregularities
Well adjudicated?
DeleteHey Perry Mason, You mean this has been settled by judicial procedure? Please cite the case!
Cooking on the radio wouldn't go over so well, but food and restaurant talk can be great - a la Gene Burns' "Dining Around" (Joel Riddell's version I can take in small doses only, unfortunately - his style of allthewordsallthetimeincasetheyrunout and those words containing too much about him and what he knows is super annoying to me). Ryan and Rich do have too many restaurant pluggers, but they're still entertaining and informative enough for me to tune-in when I'm driving around on Saturdays.
ReplyDeleteUpdate that promo to read as, "... Driving you crazy OR driving you away."
ReplyDeleteLots of mud today. I love it. Keep the mud coming.
ReplyDeleteTo the dochebag threatening Rich... the Constitutional right of Free Speech is very strong.
ReplyDeleteSecond, if you are a public figure, its even tougher for such a person to sue.
Thirdly, Rich and any potential poster would have to post something incredibly wild, irresponsible, and with an intent to do harm, to possibly face any consequences. And all these things would have to be proven. Plus, don't forget 1 and 2.
I'm no lawyer, just know a few. Just sayin.
Hum, friends with Ronn or Karel?
First thing, no one is threatening Rich and and second thing, you don't need to mention you're not a lawyer, it's obvious.
DeleteReally? Did you read Anon @ 11:42 AM?
DeleteHey 11:26 and 11:42...get off your high horse! In case you haven't been paying any attention....this is a BLOG...that means that people can post what they want to, and do so with impugnity.
ReplyDeleteAs far as Rich being out of control with his rants and publishing only those postings he wants to publish, I don't think his rants are that extreme...rather they reflect the frustration and sadness many of us who love radio have experienced in recent years with the dumbing down and downsizing of radio.
As far as Rich being sued in the future? That's a joke! There
are no laws on the books that tell bloggers that they have to restrict their remarks, (unless of course some one threatens another person with bodily harm, but in those cases, the post isn't publishing anyway.)
You obviously don't like these postings because they strike a chord with you. I'm wondering if the person who is responding is someone who actually thinks that what is happening today in local radio is a good thing. Perhaps another imbecilic little Cumulus troll on the loose!
this is a BLOG...that means that people can post what they want to, and do so with impugnity.
DeleteNo, that's not what Rich said. He selectively decides what get's posted.
@156 is the HTML troll who routinely comes in here to defend red cheeks Radnich. Now he is an expert on libel law and journalism. Take your HTML and shove it!
Delete@9:11 PM
DeleteApparently scribbling on bathroom stalls is your preferred method of communicating and obviously HTML would be beyond your grasp.
If Karel was a character dreamed up by a straight writer, that writer would be called a homophobe; if the writer was gay, he would be thought of as self-hating. Easily the biggest clown to appear on any SF station in , well, ever.
ReplyDeleteRich is absolutely legally wrong. There have been lawsuits filed against bloggers who "select" anonymous comments. In those cases the courts ruled that bloggers who "choose" or "select" comments for repost that are libelous or slanderous are in the wrong. In recent articles Rich openly admits to his "legally stupid" editorial policies. Since "Good-Old Rich" selects the posts (who does and does not get posted) and he does not allow rebuttal or correction, he is legally accountable for everything on the site. To the legal genius who wrote "There
ReplyDeleteare no laws on the books that tell bloggers that they have to restrict their remarks" - you are dead wrong. Rich is responsible because of his editorial policies. Yeah, all you people who like to wade waist deep in the Rich Lieberman sewer, come to his defense. He's dead meat if he ever gets sued. Ask a REAL communications lawyer. Bloggers cannot post whatever they like - randomly select false and slanderous posts from anonymous contibutors. My guess is most of the "Keep up the good work Rich" response are from Rich himself. Keep up the wonderful work Big-guy.. We are watching.. but not because what you do is good.
Is this the Disingenuous Black Man? Perhaps Karel? Why don't you cite specific quotes that are ”false and slanderous”? Go ahead tough guy....
DeleteSigned,
Not Rich, just a fan
As a former publisher and editor, 2:19 is absolutely correct. Here is what makes a case of libel:
Delete1) what is stated is false
2) what is stated is reckless disregard for the truth
3) what is stated is stated with malicious intent.
If Rich were to allow a post meeting those three conditions, and if it could be proved that he denied a post or posts that refuted the libelous post that was published, he could lose a libel case, and the person making the post could be sued.
That said, have fun proving malicious intent. Very rare in America.
And if it is said about a public official or persona, that person has almost zero recourse.
On the other hand, if Rich published all comments, regardless of his personal opinion of them, current court rulings regarding online opinion is not as strict as, say, a letter to the editor, and I doubt Rich would lose.
I hope that changes, however. I hope that some day, the Supreme Court applies the same laws to online communications that it applies to newspapers, magazines, books, etc.
The problem is that Rich could win and still be put in the poor house if someone or something sued.
The lawsuit threats are just a bunch of sad sack schills attempting to intimidate Rich. Who would sue Rich? Brian Copeland made a not so veiled threat that Matress Man might sue. You think Lowenstein is ready to fork over $250k to a loyah? Puhleaaaase. A move like that would further damage Matress Man's self-inflicted soiled reputation....
DeleteTrue, 7:27. I was just outlining what is required to successfully make a case of defamation with the three criteria I pointed out above.
DeleteThat said, some companies and persons have brought lawsuits not to win, but to cost the other party a ton of money.
That is way more likely than a case being successful. That said, I don't think a company would waste its time, but it is possible.
Mattress Man has no recourse. Copeland has no recourse. Karel has no recourse.
As to what Rich allegedly said that was allegedly libelous, I must have missed that.
I agree: hot air by incompetents. Since many here are supposed to be media professionals, I can see that many did not take media law or perhaps they didn't have a professor worth his or her worth (common in J schools; they who can't, teach.)
6:57 - what you are saying may be true, but unless Rich is living on Nob Hill smoking a cigar and quaffing a $200 Cab right now, what purpose would Ronn have in paying $400 an hour to sue him? On top of that, the rep that has taken a big hit, would take a bigger one... Million Dollar Mattress Man goes after Man-of-the-People blogger. Yuck.
ReplyDeleteRich might be what they call "Judgement proof".
Keep writing in you Cumulus trolls! Your comments are always good for a laugh. It's just sad that all of you have no appreciate or understanding about what radio used to represent and what it stood for. Now it stands for C-R-A-P, becauase peons such as you, who would nefer have been hired back in the day are the norm and professional sounding announcers are thrown out of the biz because they are making too much money. That's like the big leagues getting rid of top playing stars because they're making too much money. Solid, professional announcers are the face and sound of your station, and if you hire dim-wits and dolts 9uch as the kind who have been hired lately, especially by Cumulus), you're going to lose your core audience as well as your advertising revenue. Smart thinking!
ReplyDeleteThis paranoid nonsense about Cumulus trolls makes no sense. There is no reason in the world that Cumulus would waste a penny to influence opinion on this blog.
DeleteThe fanaticsm of the irrational us vs. evil enemy Cumulus mentality expounded at this web site is a little scary.
what of the comments that openly refer to "we" meaning "we, in the building". Those are still annonymous posters trying to defend the indefencible. Current employees who think these comments go too far. Sometimes, that is true and people go over the top because they are angry. And rightly so. Often though, they're dead on the money. If you don't think anyone "inside the building" is posting, think again. Rich can tell from their IP address more often than not.
DeleteOh yeah, almighty Rich is busy studying IP addresses.
DeleteLike it's that tough to do? Puhleez.
DeleteI have a serious question for all of you haters of Cumulus.
ReplyDeleteWhat would you direct the employees working there to do?
I have a good friend who works there, have been reading this blog regularly the last couple months, and am surprised by some of the commentary.
I do not have a real horse in this race, although I would like to see talk radio be better. That being the case, what is your expectation of the people working there? Should they quit? Mutiny? Yell at their bosses? Get fired?
If any of you are radio professionals, surely you would be the first people submitting resumes after these people dug their own graves, no? And if you then got the job, what would you do differently?
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Sidenote regarding the legal matter.
Rich could be liable for blog posts of a disparaging nature, but in no way could he be held liable for any posts who chose to not publish. This is not an opinion. - Roy
Rich cannot be sued for what was not published. He could be sued for Libel/Defamation/Slander, etc, even if the post was correcting a supposed wrong. The supposed wrong would be corrected in court. - Roy
ReplyDeleteI just had the misfortune of listening to Pat Thurston. My God. From Gene Burns to .... that?
ReplyDeleteKGO used to have thought provoking hosts. Now they are vomit inducing.
Ya know, I real used to like "big as my foot" Vernon Glenn. But after he opened his pie-hole, along with Jebbie Boy about the weather at the Stick, I say get the eff out if you don't like the City's weather. Most of us live in SF because we actually "like" the fog, & the weather...
ReplyDeleteJebbie went on his PR Rant about his fugly Stadium in Santa Clara, and how the fog was rolling in, and its August. Then Lil Man Glenn said, "now that I'm thawed out," after the preseason game, during his report on Saturday afternoon. Vern ur butt has been working at the Stick for years, so you "know" its cold & foggy at the Stick...so duh! But we all get it, its all for, "come on down to Santa Clara, so you can park 20 minutes from the stadium, enjoy the walk.
I tell ya, I'm going to die laughing my ass off when all these folks find out what a disaster the Santa Clara Stadium really is.
Heads up, the 49ers won 5 Super Bowls in SF, and at the stadium that you loathe. In fact SF is the City that put the 49ers on the map, thats why Jr., and his stoopid Family don't want to depart with the SF Logo....Think about it, otherwise the 49ers would be know as the San Jose Teckers. Show some respect dude for the Stick, & the City where the team has played for 60 plus years...seesh!
Who wrote the post at 10 33pm? A 16 year old?
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with the comment "10:33PM," most native San Franciscans do...If you don't like the comment don't read it...imho
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