ALL of my interactions with BART Police have been uniformly bad. One time when I was a victim of broken dangerous escalator cowling in a BART statiopn, they promised to file a report, and did not. I recall in the Bay Area Newspaper's public employee database a few years ago that several of them make over $200K/year and of course full police early retirement benefits.
I saw that this morning. It's bad. The policeman overreacted. I've had Karate training, where your reflexive moves become very quick, strong and direct. I've also been trained to know when to hold back from using full force. I'm not saying I know best. I wasn't there. I do say she did not appear to present an imminent or dire threat to this big fella of an officer. She was a drunk young gal with a swing he could easily have blocked with his forearm. He could have then (gently!) pulled this arm across her back to make her more apt to be still and behave. Such a pretty girl too. At first I thought she was the infamous Sydney Leather's. You know, the girl who got Carlos Danger in trouble back east. Poor girl is still traumatized at the mere thought of this incident, although physically, she has healed very well.
Drunk out of her mind. Urinated on herself in the patrol car -- then wiped her urine covered hand on an officer. Also threw things at them as well. Yeah, she has my unwavering empathy.
6:59, maybe someone should burn down a senior care facility that is under construction, or throw bottles at a law enforcement officer. That should fix the problem...
I don't think the amount of force that was used was justified in this particular case. I feel confident that there are LE personnel who would agree with that opinion. My opinion is based, in part, on the high standards that have been established (and adhered to) by the many ethical LE personnel in this country.
Obviously, it not easy to deal with unstable and malicious characters on a regular basis. But going rogue, and violating rights, is not an appropriate reaction. Nor is it an honorable representation for the LE profession. Had the woman presented a true life-threatening situation to the LE personnel, or a member or members of the community (like some protestors have), then I would better understand the need to break facial bones and teeth, cause brain and other bodily injury, or worse
The police even lied- jn a written report they said she was throwing punches when you could see she could barely stand up. Is this the police training we pay through the nose for? All the extra overtime for instructors and cop students? And yet when they get on the street its anarchy- shoot to kill,take no chances. Misbehave to a police officer shouldn't be a reason to be maimed or killed. Sure "they saw a weapon". Uhuh. And why Police have made a huge mistake recruiting former military men who already have a confrontational personality and always right attitude. Studies have shown that. Its not just my opinion. Its pretty obvious that bad cops across the land are responding to police criticism with even more violence. They should be recruiting college grads in psychology for christ's sake.
Don't blame this on former military. This has been a problem for decades, going back over a hundred years in some cases. Show me stats that former military get more complaints and I'll believe it.
This is rather disturbing.
ALL of my interactions with BART Police have been uniformly bad. One time when I was a victim of broken dangerous escalator cowling in a BART statiopn, they promised to file a report, and did not. I recall in the Bay Area Newspaper's public employee database a few years ago that several of them make over $200K/year and of course full police early retirement benefits.
ReplyDeleteI saw that this morning. It's bad. The policeman overreacted. I've had Karate training, where your reflexive moves become very quick, strong and direct. I've also been trained to know when to hold back from using full force. I'm not saying I know best. I wasn't there. I do say she did not appear to present an imminent or dire threat to this big fella of an officer. She was a drunk young gal with a swing he could easily have blocked with his forearm. He could have then (gently!) pulled this arm across her back to make her more apt to be still and behave. Such a pretty girl too. At first I thought she was the infamous Sydney Leather's. You know, the girl who got Carlos Danger in trouble back east. Poor girl is still traumatized at the mere thought of this incident, although physically, she has healed very well.
ReplyDeleteDrunk out of her mind. Urinated on herself in the patrol car -- then wiped her urine covered hand on an officer. Also threw things at them as well. Yeah, she has my unwavering empathy.
ReplyDeleteHer behavior was bad, so that is good reason for those cops to lower their standards?
Delete6:59, maybe someone should burn down a senior care facility that is under construction, or throw bottles at a law enforcement officer. That should fix the problem...
Delete9:43,
DeleteI don't think the amount of force that was used was justified in this particular case. I feel confident that there are LE personnel who would agree with that opinion. My opinion is based, in part, on the high standards that have been established (and adhered to) by the many ethical LE personnel in this country.
Obviously, it not easy to deal with unstable and malicious characters on a regular basis. But going rogue, and violating rights, is not an appropriate reaction. Nor is it an honorable representation for the LE profession. Had the woman presented a true life-threatening situation to the LE personnel, or a member or members of the community (like some protestors have), then I would better understand the need to break facial bones and teeth, cause brain and other bodily injury, or worse
The police even lied- jn a written report they said she was throwing punches when you could see she could barely stand up.
ReplyDeleteIs this the police training we pay through the nose for? All the extra overtime for instructors and cop students? And yet when they get on the street its anarchy- shoot to kill,take no chances. Misbehave to a police officer shouldn't be a reason to be maimed or killed. Sure "they saw a weapon". Uhuh.
And why Police have made a huge mistake recruiting former military men who already have a confrontational personality and always right attitude. Studies have shown that. Its not just my opinion.
Its pretty obvious that bad cops across the land are responding to police criticism with even more violence.
They should be recruiting college grads in psychology for christ's sake.
Maybe we should give drunk fools a "space to destroy"...
DeleteDon't blame this on former military. This has been a problem for decades, going back over a hundred years in some cases. Show me stats that former military get more complaints and I'll believe it.
DeleteBART is BAD
ReplyDeleteThese people are so out of touch with reality - imagine good old boys trying to relate to ANYTHING normal . .