I didn't hear the Tolbert interview and was only aware of the comments he made about Janay Rice by others.
I don't agree with what Ted said and he has apologized. He's also been suspended by the 49ers.
Just this observation: I find it curious that Ted Robinson has been suspended yet Ray McDonald continues to play. I know McDonald hasn't been charged yet but I still find it kind of ironic.
You don't agree with what he said? You don't think it's pathetic that a woman would stay with that piece of shit after being knocked out, humiliated in public, dragged through all this? I woke up in bizarro world or something... I can't believe people are outraged about what he said. Did I read a mis-quote or something? Was there something else Robinson said that people are taking exception to?
ReplyDeleteSpanking Ted Robinson for his remarks...misses the mark...by a long shot. A woman who marries a fellow who knocks her out intentionally, is part of the problem.
DeleteAmen Christine. I obviously agree. But according to today's narrative, neither you, I, nor Ted Robinson understand the nature of victimhood. Or something.
DeleteWhy, then, Chrstine, is the NFL making this "their problem?" If you defended the "victiim," would you have said the same thing or would you have gone for the short hairs? I'm betting you'd go for the short ones in court if it got there.
DeleteAgree 100% 7:49 AM. I will take it one step further. I feel worse for the dogs that were victimized by Michael Vick than I do for Ray Rice's wife. Those poor creatures had no idea what was happening to them. Mrs. Rice supposedly HAS a brain and still marries this jackass who WILL beat her again. Unbelievable!!!
DeleteOnce there is evidence of a crime and he is charged, McDonald should be sat down as well. In Ted's case what he said was reprehensible and on air. McDonald's situation is apparently not cut and dry or the cops would have come to a decision by now.
ReplyDeleteMaybe Mark Cuban was right after all about the NFL. But he didn't mean it like this.
ReplyDeleteApparently it's OK to abuse your wife, but it is not OK to say less than smart things about people in those situations.
ReplyDeleteEveryone knows that domestic violence cases typically get tossed. They get thrown out because the victim doesn't cooperate and recants the entire story. The only way Ray McDonald gets in trouble is if his finance backs up her story to the DA.
ReplyDeleteThe Niners are worried that Ted's stupid comments will galvanize the victim into talking to the DA. He was supposed to appear sympathetic to the Baltimore victim, but at the same time push a plausible story for why this one isn't the same thing. Fitz did a better job at the spin on his show...which is probably why he is going to get Ted's job.
Making a stand against Domestic violence (as Harbaugh did) is a really good one. You can appear noble, but still never have to worry about making a difficult choice.
One point for accuracy, it wasn't an interview, but TR was Tolbert's co-host for the full four hours on Monday.
ReplyDeleteMcDonald being suspended will depend on a Judge or DA filing charges. It has no bearing on Robinson.
ReplyDeleteIf it is the same DA and Judge from Santa Clara County who reviewed the Aldon Smith case, then expect Ray McDonald to go scot-free.
DeleteCriminal Justice in Santa Clara County does not apply to celebrities and to members of the 49ers football team.
2 words: Duke Lacrosse. The difference between Rice / Ted and McDonald, is any indication of proof. Just because someone accuses you, doesn't mean it's true. If any witnesses or tape comes out against McDonald, you can go from there, but until so, we need to let it play out.
ReplyDelete4 more words: jameis Winston ben Roethlisberger
DeleteRobinson had the guts to say what most people are thinking - maybe not the 'experts' on domestic violence, but logical-thinking people.
ReplyDeleteApparently Harbaugh and the 49ers believe in the Fifth Amendment but not the First Amendment...
ReplyDeleteWell said.
DeleteThe First Amendment is about THE GOVERNMENT suppressing your right to say what you want, not a private business taking steps to let an employee know what they said angers the company...how many more times are half-wits going to spout about this incorrectly?
DeleteThat said, 49ers really have misplayed this whole thing since the get go, and TR's suspension would be laughable if it wasn't such idiocy and unfairness.
Yeah, I get it...an analogy was made, somewhat tongue-in-cheek to show how ridiculous Harbaugh was by bringing up the Fifth Amendment, which has nothing to do with the 49ers decision to not suspend McDonald. They could have easily decided to suspend him with pay, and it would not have violated the Fifth Amendment or "due process"...
DeleteMaybe it's not a case of "what" you said or didn't say, Rich, but "how" you say it. You sound real chummy on the air with many guests. In that position, just like censoring the blog, you can't do it that way. You'll lose every time. It was handed to you this time.
DeleteSo we now live in society where if one expresses a view that goes against the popular politically correct view, one gets banished, punished, villified, tarred and feathered. Was this how it was in nazi Germany, cultural revolution china, ISIS caliphate, north korea?
ReplyDeleteYes, that is how those nightmare states operated. And how things are here now too.
Delete"Mellow out or you will pay" or,
"Serpent's eggs already hatched..."
Work for McDonalds and get on a soapbox bemoaning eating red meat and see how long you stay employed there.
DeleteRich, don't take this the wrong way, but the way you worded it implies that when it comes to a fellow media person that you've interviewed/want to interview, you're afraid to address it. Too many times this week, I've heard comments regarding this situation like "due process", "don't know all the facts", "didn't hear the interview", etc. which are indicative of a larger problem. If you have a stake in it in any way, you're dancing on eggshells, hoping to change the subject. I just wish that people would be more forward regarding this, but no, it's more of the same.
ReplyDeleteFirst off, I'm sorry you feel this way and hope you can understand my position.
DeleteTed is a friend. For over 25 years.
Even at that, I would hope you listen to my interview with him, (you can get it on my podcast) --I asked Ted questions about the very subject, (non Janay Rice), and had brought up issues about the 49ers and Ray McDonald--I actually disagreed with Ted and we went at it, civilly, on the air.
Some people interpreted my interview as "soft" and questions as "softball." I did my best, I think, under the circumstances--could I have done better? Perhaps, but that's another day.
Once again, I appreciate your feedback and hope I can earn back your trust. And I'll also try to be more forward next time.
...but Rich would have had HARD QUESTIONS for Jed York, and not backed off for one second!!!1
DeleteYou made Murphy look like a journalistic paragon!
Bottom line, Lieberman had the opportunity to be a real journalist and failed.
DeleteHow can he expect to be taken seriously when he ridicules everyone else but himself?
Get ready for "This is a blog, my blog, damn it...don't come here if you think that way" or some variation for the 767th time
DeleteWell said @11:09. Rich is a great arm chair quarterback. Criticizes gay traffic reporters on knbr, attacks KTVU for Asiana gate, goes after Sadnitch for insensitive remarks and yet when he has a chance to do a tough interview he goes soft yet has the gal to go after the morning guys on knbr for being soft on Jed York. Come on Lieberman. You want respect then earn it. You're such a putz and a softie you'll censor this but rest assured most folks are onto you.
DeleteGet ready for the "oh you must be a cumulus intern, schmuck" response.
DeleteWhat does the First Amendment have to do with this? You should read it.
ReplyDeleteWas trying to make a point about Harbaugh's mention of the Fifth Amendment and "due process" in reference to Ray McDonald's arrest and "right to play"...Guess you missed the point...
DeleteOkay, there are two amendments you mention that cover different things....aaand?
DeletePerhaps you didn't make a coherent point, rather than the poster "missed the point?"
Maybe try a little harder to connect the dots...
DeleteFollow the yellow brick road... and you'll end-up in the huff-and-puff world of meaningless words and splendid delusions.
ReplyDeleteIf you think domestic violence has a clear and agreed upon definition... you just might be deluded.
If you think physical altercations always involve a clear-cut suspect and an innocent victim... you just might be deluded.
If you think women never intentionally provoke a man into hitting them... you just might be deluded.
If you think a majority of men, even those with a few drinks in them, can't be provoked into violence... you just might be deluded.
If you think every scuffle between domestic partners can benefit from judicial oversight... you just might be deluded.
If you think it's healthy to punish people for voicing an opinion in opposition to that held by the majority... you just might be a totalitarian.
Ted said what everyone thinks. Rice got what he deserved. The victim spit on him and hit him a few times. No excuse of course. We aren't supposed to notice the other side of story. Ignore what your lyin' eyes see.
DeleteWhere I live close to half the domestic violence arrests are female.
Ted said what he did because at KNBR,he,the producer,the interns,his co host and Lee Hammer all say and think the same thing as Ted off the air. Its why you hear many ethnic slurs out of the mouths of KNBR hosts. Ted made the mistake of thinking KNBR thoughts are the way real life is.
ReplyDeleteKNBR is the station that still tells it that Felipe Alou planned to get Kreuger fired- blame the victim there too- and of course KNBR welcomed Larry 'crabgrass' Krueger back with open arms.
And Ted also,soon.
KNBR- after my post went up- just clarified that they did not suspend Ted,the 49ers and Pac12/Stanford did. Doesn't change my post..since my point is- at KNBR hosts are comfortable with backwards thinking because there is nobody around to make them think twice. And hence,they blurt out on air "Chinamen",'Toxic gays", and "Latins get hired over blonds on TV"...The kind of things said when there are no Asians or Latins or admitted gay guys employed.
DeleteYou intelligent people understand..the KNBR audience lags behind.
Wow, you're jumped back to your old lunacy.
DeleteAlou was NOT a victim. To even equate that situation to some thug beating a woman is imbecilic.
Ya know,KSFO works at being rightwing. Its easy to imagine them in meetings bouncing ideas of how to make anything a plot by leftists. And then you have the sports leader doing it as it comes natural. Just comical.
DeleteYeah Stan, this is a rightwing thing.
DeleteSaying she caused the problem going public,calling the police isn't a liberal or even democratic view. What left?..Ted's not claiming insanity.
DeleteStan, you are, even after your too brief departure here, a bloviating idiot and miscreant. You're only here to amuse Rich. Period. Get a life. If anyone should claim insanity it's you. The blogger has his own issues to slosh through. He doesn't need your help.
DeleteI rejoiced when Stan disappeared from this blog and can't understand why he's back. Stan has said it himself, he's been banished from all other forums. Why is his gibberish printed here?
DeleteI laugh- ha. As usual no arguments..You don't understand right from wrong,but you do focus on name calling or being blind to the truth,you people put your magnifying glass on spelling.
DeleteEven when you have NO wiggle room- Like my calling the A's trade of Cespedes will cause the A's to sink like rocks- and I foretold the future...what was your comebacks? "We don't remember " !..LOL Those who don't remember the past,or what Stan said, are doomed,etc..wink.
Oh, and those "bannings" were for that A's post in the Mercury.
We all know that those who are proved by history to be right- are the ones they call for banning. And you people are, the they-ha.
9;13am, I'm embarrassed that I don't know what the fifth amendment is, but I'm curious. Is this where one has the right not to self-incriminate, i.e. "I take the fifth, in this court of law".?...........9;42 Arse Nardmn had a good statement about totalitarianism.
ReplyDelete9er's just got their first loss of the season. Robinson nailed it.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to defend Rice's actions but compare his crime of passion to the measured and deliberate actions/motives/integrity of the NFL or the Fiance/wife and Rice's lapse of judgement looks more reasonable.
What did Ted say and on what broadcast? During the game or during an interview?
ReplyDeleteLet's not overlook the fact that Rich L. interviewed Ted Robinson on Tuesday and tossed him nothing but softballs.
ReplyDeleteIsn't he supposed to be the "no BS" tough guy?
Was thinking the same thing. The interview was on the heels of his remarks too.
DeleteThose "5 Questions I would have asked Jed York" from a few days ago are laughable when RL had Robinson on the phone and made little attempt to challenge him.
Wellen:
DeleteUnder the circumstances I think I did OK. As I mentioned on the show, it was sort of awkward trying to challenge Ted because we're friends...In hindsight I probably shouldn't have done the interview but I tried to do my best under the circumstances.
Next time out I'll be more prepared.
...too bad you didn't cut Murphy some slack, instead damning him for having written a book about the 49ers and thus being unfit to interview York and lobbing easy questions.
DeleteNot so easy, huh?
Well, maybe Mr. High and Mighty will have learned his lesson. I never did like Robinson and his arrogant, smug demeanor. I hope he engages his brain before he opens his mouth in the future.
ReplyDeleteAnother disappointment from Mr. Robinson's actions: Bobby Notre Dame and his pomposity will be on display for the next two Sundays. Don't get too comfortable Rudy. It's only temporary.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Rich. Ted Robinson is a good man. He made a mistake. He is lucky that he probably grew up in an eniviroonment where he did not witness domestic violence and therefore doesn't fully understand it or a victim's mentality. Unfortunately, there are too many people in the Titterverse, and elsewhere, who can't wait to crucify someone the minute they say something uniformed or inappropriate. They are vicious, faceless, piranha, waiting for meat to drop.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ted Robinson's comment about (now) Mrs. Rice deciding to become Mrs. Rice being "pathetic." Sure, it may not be my business, your business or Ted Robinson's business ... but he is a sports professional, hired by an NFL team, and he was on a sports-talk program, and asked about an incident that has people across the country weighing in. I don't see the problem in that comment.
ReplyDeleteI think it's unfortunate that he used the word "blame," in the other statement that is causing so much fuss. Of course a victim is never to "blame." I may be wrong, but I take his meaning to be that it's regrettable that women who are victims of abuse, don't ... or feel that they cannot ... speak out on their on behalf. As a woman, who fortunately has not been in that position, I agree.
If he had said that she had "asked" for a knockout punch because she took a swipe at him (which it looks like she did - although I'm not sure she even made contact, and it certainly didn't hurt him), I would be leading the outrage. Again, I think that the word "blame," was not the best choice.
In any case, as an avid Niner fan, I think the team is wrong on this one.
Ray McDonald puts people in seats that they pay for.
ReplyDeleteTed Robinson does not.
So the 49ers do not care if McDonald is beating on his wife.
All they care about is money and people will pay to see McDonald play and buy a ticket to the game.
The 49ers will tolerate their players beating on their wives and girlfriends.
They have a payroll to meet.
So all the lawbreakers on the team will play.
The cheerleaders and the women that women that work for the 49ers are too scared to protest because they will be fired.
The 49ers are nothing but a group of law breaking ghetto thugs.
Everyone knows it and looks the other way.
It is all about selling tickets.
We all know the 49ers will never discipline their players, so they go after an easy target.
ReplyDeleteTed Robinson was their scapegoat. End of Ray McDonald story.
Say Jed York when you start running the franchise?
Isn't it time Jim Harbaugh began to run the football team and not the 49ers organization.
If the word sad were used instead of "pathetic" then Robinson's comment would have come off less judgmental. I find it very sad that a woman wasn't strong enough to leave a man that knocked her out cold. I find it sad that a man and woman are so angry with each other that they cannot temper their words (or actions) in public, or in private. And I find it sad that women are blamed and shamed by men, and other women, who hopefully never know what it's like to be in an explosive and volatile relationship. I've never been on the other end of a man verbally or physically abusing me, (although I'm sure their are alot of Anonymous voices on this blog that think they have the cajones to start that kind of war..) However, I know that I don't need to be in a violent relationship to understand and empathize with those who are... or to expect organizations and leaders with power to behave better, and do more, than the NFL has in the last six+ months. Denying they knew more about the Rice incident, letting McDonald play after his DomVio arrest, yet suspending Robinson for a poor choice of words..? The NFL is beating up Robinson, because they have lost control over the two Ray's situation... Much like someone who can't control outside (or inside) forces and precedes to strike someone less powerful - their lover, their child, or in this case, an employee. The NFL's behavior is truly ... "pathetic"!
ReplyDeleteAnyone listen to football on the radio? Pre and post game yes, but during?
ReplyDeleteHeard a rumor that Bob Fitzgerald would fill in for Robinson, true?
I am probably one of those rare folks who will listen to football (and hockey) on the radio. In the car, when I have places to go during the games.
DeleteWonder if Fitzgerald will betray Robinson like he did Papa?
ReplyDeleteCraft's insensitivity is exceeded only by her ignorance and arrogance.
Precisely what has been on my mind poster at 5:47pm.
ReplyDeleteDon't be surprised if Fitz is doing play by play on a permanent basis in 3 weeks.
Fitz will almost certainly try to knife Robinson when his back is turned, but hopefully the Niners brass won't be fooled by Fit'z's weasly agent Martin Mandel, who pulled the wool over Chris Cohan and Robbie Rowell's eyes many years ago when he backdoored Papa and snatched the Warriors' TV job away from him. Replacing Papa, who is one of the top broadcasters in the bay area with a putz like Fat Fitzie shows once again how grossly incompetent the Chris Cohan regime was. Fitz is one of those guys who has no shame and will turn on anyone and step over anyone in an effort to take any job he wants. He's disingenuous and has no morale compass when it comes to how you move ahead in the broadcasting world. He must have learned these awful habits at the feet of someone who has no morale backbone. Fitz is a total sleaze and has a horrible reputation in the local sports media.
ReplyDeleteRudy is pompous. He thinks he's wonderful. He's a two-timing floor flusher. Everyone in the Bay Area knows it. No one likes him. He may win in the short term, but you see the same people on the way up as you do on the way down. And when (not if) he falls, no one will catch him. Go see Mattressman for a deal on some cushion.
ReplyDeleteI know people who work with 'Fattie-Fitz' and they tell me that he has one face for people whom he thinks might help him, and another for the 'little people,' (i.e. the producers and the under paid interns around the station). He is verbally abusive to those he can get away being abusive too, but if he needs help he will slavishly do the requisite boot licking to get ahead. This guy has no shame. It's amazing KNBR management has put up with this fool for so many years. And he's really not very good at what he does. When the Warriors were sucking all of those years, he'd always make excuses for the team in order to ingratiate himself with the front office folks. What a shameful little sleaze-ball!
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