Saturday, February 2, 2013

Rodgers death gets ignored by local SF Media

Outside of this site, and the radio station where he worked for nearly two decades, not a single Bay Area news org, paper, TV station, etc, gave notice to the passing of longtime broadcaster and talk-radio host, Lee Rodgers.

That is sad. Outrageous too, really, but in the world of local communications, not so surprising. If Lee were alive, he'd kick it to the ground and really not give a damn. Come to think of it, Rodgers would be blase: "And now...if you'll excuse me."

Myself? I'm not shocked anymore by anything.

But Lee Rodgers deserved better.

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77 comments:

  1. I worked with Lee for quite a few years. Always a gentleman and a true professional. I'm very sad to learn of his passing.

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  2. What did you expect, Rich? Really. You have a bad interpretation of what people think in radio. "You're only as good as your last show," and Lee has been gone for years and not that highly rated. Sorry, yes, for his circumstances, but as radio does, Lee played to some lower expectations - especially on KSFO. Popularity is a relative thing and people by the masses do forget. Sad but true.

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  3. This is really sad. I grew up listening to Lee on KGO & considered him to be one of the local radio legends. I hate to think about if this will happen again...it probably will, unfortunately.

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  4. The bloated one, Fatnich, didn't say anything. What a phoney.

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    1. Hey Stan, what the hell does Radnich have to do with this. Time to check yourself into the looney bin!

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    2. Fatsnitch the bloated one did not say a thing when Pete Wilson died and HE WORKED ALONGSIDE Wilson for years. Why would you be surprised that he did not mention Mr. Rodgers?

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    3. Blaming Radnich FOR WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY?
      Again insane! And how could anyone know exactly what he DIDN'T say unless you knew everything that he did say????

      Stan, time to check yourself into the looney bin!

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    4. Hey stalker 704 and 1010,I didn't post that. So your paranoia is striking again. You idiot.
      Stan.

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    5. Stan defending Radnich, LOL. That's a first. KNBR must have paid him off!

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    6. Saying that I didn't post is defending Raddy? Your insane. And with proof.

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    7. Stan, your crazy posts might make a little more sense if you could learn that "your" is not the same as "you're."

      No, it's not a spelling mistake, it's simple grammar.

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    8. I do know your too stupid to get I do it to bug you morons. Eat it. And why not say who you are? Another KNBR stooge Republican..and white. As always..

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  5. I received this from Bernie Ward this morning:
    I am so sad to hear about the passing of Lee Rodgers. Lee was instrumental in my rise at KGO and I learned a great deal from him. He was also a friend which proved to me you didn't have to agree politically, but sill have a strong friendship. Lee and I started the Monday night fights totally as an accident. We would be talking or arguing before he went on the air and he suggested one time, we do it on the air. It was totally ad hoc. We did it a few times and had fun. We decided on Mondays at 9pm and it was a kick and a half. Lee rodgers was the only talk host I have ever met who was so comfortable with himself and his views that we could argue like demons only to go to the commercial and both smile and say how well that went. Neither of us ever took a position just to create an argument. There were many times, when the news of the day was such we didn't disgree and so we didn't bring it up or argue about it. We were able to always spar and yet never let our emotions or feelings get in the way..it was because he was so solid and so grounded and we genuinely liked each other. Most talk show hosts I have encountered resent and take umbrage and get reactionary when you challenge a position they hold. All the biggies share this in common..every single one of them..however Lee could go hammer and tong with me over an issue and I would drive him to BART after the show. Lee was funny and gracious and sosmart and one of the best in the business at his craft. He worked harder than any host I have ever met. He was always prepared and his sense of humor could be wry or dry or even silly at times. KGO tried to replicate th MOnday night fights with other hosts, but no one was capableof engaging in conflict and retaining their humanity and sense of humor. Lee was unique. I owe him a great deal and learned so much for him and I will miss him a great deal...

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    1. Thank you, Bernie. Miss you on the air.

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    2. Bernie still in the slammer?

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    3. You are actually quoting a convicted pedophile? Yikes you have no dignity.

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    4. And you are as dumb as a pile of lincoln logs. Bernie is not a convicted "pedophile". See if you can use that presumed brain of yours to figure out why..hint: Bernie touched no children...his was a thought crime , looking at forbidden images on a computer.

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  6. 10:36AM -What a load of horseshit you're peddling. No buyers here.

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  7. People changed with the technology. A person's personal culture is customized by more personal media, twitter, face-book, Internet, cable, satellite radio, etc. Less of a mass appeal, more of a micro culture. So the powerhouse radio station that anchored an area faded. Nothing unique to radio. The passing of Ravi Shankar and Ali Akbar bar Khan did not get much mention either, people from a different era that is gone draw little media attention. Even Rodgers left the Bay Area in 2000. Jim Eason left as well. They din't like it anymore if they ever did.

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    1. You are both right and wrong. We all get it about technology etc and personalized media choices.But what was great and could still be great about radio and a local powerhouse like 30 years of number one status juggernaut KGO, was that a big chunk of the collective "everybody"was listening simultaneously to the same voices,and masterful,competing dialogues like the ones between Lee and Bernie. That's a powerful force for social dialogue and social change. And, noting today's news for all the twits,you didn't get hacked.

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    2. an afterthought here. Interesting that the government came out with stats the other day..the most powerful and monied consumers in the US and also the largest demographic.....are people born during WWII and shortly thereafter. They are over 54. Most of them are too smart to try to cross the street while staring slack jawed into their smartphones. Arbitron would be wise to take note and rearrange their categories of which age groups advertisers should court. We had the best music too,then and still. Fancy that!

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  8. The local media ignored Lee Rodgers passing. Sad indeed.
    But here are some of the reasons for this oversight.
    The Chronicle writers were to busy waxing poetically about the SF Giants.
    The Chronicle writers were to busy playing a round of golf at Pebble Beach compliments of Larry Baer.
    The local media? There is no media. Only a bunch of promoters and guardians of the local sports teams.

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    1. Yes, maybe KNBR should preempt their radio coverage of the Super Bowl tomorrow so listeners can phone in to share their memories of Lee Rodgers.

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  9. Rich is always the predictable contrarian.

    According to Rich, the media - whatever that is - is always paying either too much or too little attention to whatever it is. But he, Rich, knows better, and by "heroically" opposing the masses, is demonstrating how discriminating and sensitive he is.

    .. Oh, look at how much attention the media is wasting on the Super Bowl, isn't that an outrage!
    .. Oh, look how the rest of the media is ignoring the death of Lee Rogers, isn't that an outrage!

    We live in a world where people do care about the Super Bowl and no one knows who Lee Rogers was. And complaining about it doesn't make you a better person; it just makes you someone hanging on to the past.




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    1. as you will no doubt learn too late, the past is prologue.

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    2. If the past is prologue, we can count on Christine for more steaming heaps of pretentious, self-important, humorless drivel.

      Go Niners!

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  10. Lee, you mattered to me. RIP - b

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  11. They couldnt figure out how to do it with "Team Coverage"

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  12. Why in the world would Chronicle sports writers be expected to cover the death of Lee Rodgers? What does he have to do with sports?

    Blaming Larry Baer or local sports teams for this imaginary oversight is insane.

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  13. My god Rich, when your number comes up it'll be breaking news on KNBR KGO KRON KNTV.......

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    1. Undoubtedly Christine will have lots to say!

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  14. Thanks Christine for having Bernie chime in on this, I know he'll probably have something on his blog but it was nice to get his immediate reaction anyway. I too scoured the local media for this and there was NOTHING disgraceful! The only other person I heard mention this (and it was the first I heard of it) was from Gil Gross on his show over at 910. I'm sure John Rothmann will have something to say about when he get a chance to get on the air. Lee Rodgers was the ONLY conservative talk show personality that I had any respect for, a true professional in every sense of the word.

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  15. How can we expect the young writers, editors & bloggers to take notice of a radio personality who hasn't been on the local airwaves for several years?
    They don't even bother to cover the current media outlets and talent.

    If it doesn't interest them personally, it simply is not covered.

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  16. Hello-Its-Me!,,I am so fortunate to have heard, known of and grown with Mr. Lee Rodgers. This is a time of contemplation and review, it is not idolatry, or infatuation. Those (many) of us who do care are engaged in an excercise of something called appreciation. We appreciate having encountered someone like Lee, a complex person, sometimes uncompromising in his unending quest for quality and refinement. With all that I just stated, I would not have wanted to work for him five mornings a week, because he seemed quite demanding and perhaps, a little 'high maintenance', the way many high achievers become.

    Lee required a Yin influence to balance out his Yang. I often wondered how Officer Vic was able to tolerate Lee's rudeness or steamrolling behaviour. OV, as most radio listeners know, is deeply talented, ever-pleasant, flexible and quick on the air. Melanie is also a star in her own way, so I know she had to choose to 'dial it back' every so often, and let Lee be Lee without prolonged opposition. I know that Lee was not perfect (no one is,by the way).

    I suppose I was not that surprised that the SF Chronical and others neglected to mention Lee's demise. Nowadays, if one has a different political outlook than some given majority of the moment, that person is not seen as one who disagrees, but one who "hates" the other side. This means you must show a slavish devotion to the Heroes-du Jour, and provide a pavlovian response to any given stimuli, pro or con when expected. If such responses are missing, you are , what? disappropriated, excommunicated, thrown under the proverbial bus.

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  17. Gil Gross, not necessarily 910 news people, mentioned it during his show. He gave a quick summary of who Lee was and gave props,

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  18. I remember Lee Rogers, he was great. But it has been a while....

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  19. Lee Rodgers was a nasty right-wing radio talker.

    Why in the world should San Francisco mourn his loss?

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  20. Lee Rogers may have been charming in person and apparently helped up and comers but as a public figure, he was destructive. He hurt many people in the Bay area and California with his particular/peculiar brand of extremist right-wing hate radio. Both Rich and Christine Craft know this but choose to ignore it. Sad.

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  21. Lee Rogers did not deserve better.

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    1. Hal, I know no such thing. I knew Lee Rodgers. How did he specifically "hurt" you? Did he hurt your "feelers"? ...because you couldn't control his point of view or what he said on the radio?You just didn't like his thoughts about things. You didn't want his ideas to be heard. Was someone making you listen to him? That doesn't make him evil. Personally, he was a straight shooter and the sort of man who would help friends regardless of their politics. He was always better prepared to do a show than anyone,including myself and yourself, than anyone I've ever met. Perhaps you had some personal conflict with him, but then you would have known how to spell his name, I would think.

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    2. Two of Rodgers' biggest hits found here (http://mediamatters.org/tags/lee-rodgers?p=2&s=15):

      Returning to a previous claim he has made, KSFO's Lee Rodgers asserted: "I believe that the reason a bunch of puckered-butt Democrat women hate Sarah Palin is because her idea of choice was choosing not to have an abortion."

      "On his KSFO radio show, Lee Rodgers said that "the female leadership of the Democratic Party" is made up of "ugly skanks." He also stated: "Sarah Palin's good-looking and they hate that." He also declared: "I think we have to ask: Would you like Sarah Palin better if she got pregnant again and did have an abortion, because it's obvious, with a lot of liberal women, killing babies is the main priority they have."

      Christine - Given your longtime fight against sexual discrimination, how do you feel about Rodgers' description of Democratic women? Do you think these kind of remarks make things better or worse for women? Do you want more quotes?

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  22. Rich: Time to realize this is how these leftist pablum pukers think. Because they disagree with Lee's politics he is spouting "hate", and he is dangerous. Yet they marinate in their own waste day in and day out making their own judgements and somehow are not doing the same thing they accuse their opposition. They are immature, spoiled children. Don't attempt to reason with these people, they are all about blaming others, jealousy, envy, and superiority. You see their hate for Rogers trumps everything, They are true vermin.

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  23. Hal is a little bitter, semi pro broadcaster with a small signal in Monterey. A nothing in the business. Lee was successful, & admired by his peers. That is the answer. Hal, have you ever even hit 50 K of revenue on that tea kettle you call a radio station?,

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    1. Anonymous - I have won awards both from the public and from well-regarded institutions. Did Lee Rodgers? My guess is that you are angry at me because I prove every weekday that your ideology is both cruel and based on lies.

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      AM 540 am host Hal Ginsberg is KRXA’s principal owner, received Breathe Central Coast’s 2012 Leadership Award, was voted best DJ by Monterey Weekly readers in 2011 and 2009, and garnered the NAACP – Monterey Branch’s Spirit of Partnership Award in 2009. Hal is dedicated to providing the best mix of progressive live, syndicated, and local news talk to Monterey and Santa Cruz counties. Call (888) KRXA-540 to talk to Hal on air between 6-9am weekday mornings. Email Hal at hal@krxa540.com.

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    2. I don't know who you are or have never even heard of you in my sixty some years of radio listening. I don't doubt what you say regarding these few awards that you may have earned, but can you ever say that you've worked in major markets like Chicago, Seattle or San Francisco? Can you ever say that you've worked for a station that has 50,000 watts? I suspect not,and to try to draw a comparison between you and Lee Rodgers is ludicrous at best! You my friend sound like you've been out in the garden without your sun hat again!

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    3. 9:42pm, you are right on point. Frankly I don't care on iota about Hal's politics, but he is a nothing in the industry. With all his self-congratulatory awards, he has a handful of listeners, a station which has zero impact in the Monterey-Salinas Arbitron ratings, a signal which at night drops to 500 watts. Hal Ginsberg you're a failure in a small-medium market. Anyone can win awards by proselytizing on the air to the very groups which provide the awards. You've never worked in a major market in your life, because quite frankly you don't have any talent, period!. You don't have the chops,your small enough to show your hate for Lee yet you want to portray yourself as some open minded progressive. You sir are a joke.

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  24. Who the hell was Lee Rodgers and who cares that he died?

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    1. I hope YOUR obituary at least appears in a local newspaper, you gutless troll. That way, I can clip it out, wipe my ass with it, and wonder why anyone at all ever cared about an amoral psychopathic NOBODY like you.

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  25. No mention of Lee Rodgers on Hannity's, Drudge's, Limbaugh's Breitbart, or Savage's websites. Mark Levin did mention Lee on his show. Hannity mentions the passing of mayor Ed Kotch, Savage the assing of Barney, Bush's first dog. Savage, Limbaugh and Hannity will be at the Big game. Mourning I guess? So if the conservative media doesn't mention him, why would the media in general mention him?

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    1. He was a local nobody.

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  26. Christine, I'm starting to like you. LOL
    I liked listening to Lee Rogers and Bernie ward, I think bernie usually articulated himself better. now one of them is dead, other one really messed himself up.

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  27. You folks in the media think the world revolves you and your opinions. Reality is that outside your bubble no one really cares. I listened to Lee and other talk show hosts for decades. But at the end of the day those outside the business say hmmmmmmmm and go on our merry way. That's just the way it is. Let that be a life lesson. Be more humble in life.

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  28. Lee Rodgers still lives on as the male voice announcer at WWV. As time marches on, Lee Rodgers will still be on the radio covering it.

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  29. I often listen to Hal on KRXA and whether you agree or disagree one would have to admit he frames his topics well and lets listeners of any side make their point. I never hear him resort to name calling or mean spirited comments to defend their position. He does encourage people who disagree with him to explain why and often they cannot as they make broad statements that are often besed on emotion and not facts. That can be quite entertaining.

    The 50,000 watt stations are all owned by huge companies that have little interest in local communities or employees. They seem to be in a race to the bottom. Having that on your resume may not be something to brag about!

    I think small independant stations whether you agree or disagree with them have a lot to offer!

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    1. Anonymous - I'm trying to understand how any of your insults are relevant to what I wrote. Maybe, you can explain why the fact that I broadcast on a small station in a small-medium market makes it okay for Lee Rodgers to litter the airwaves with poisonous sexist false remarks. But, I doubt it.

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  30. No one should mock Hal for running an alternative radio station in Paradise. Carmel was my home for years and my folks had a house on the 8th green at Spyglass. There is no better place, in my view. I never heard Lee on KSFO because that shtick didn't appeal to me. But I loved the lee/bernie fightnight on KGO. I enjoyed knowning Lee. He was a classic. The genius of an open society is the marketplace of ideas. If I owned a radio station, I'd program the spectrum. That's the most successful model ...news,talk,different points of view done by well-prepared and engaging hosts.yes?

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  31. Thanks Christine for the support - do you believe that the marketplace of ideas was enriched by Rodgers' use of words like "skank," "ugly," and "pig" to describe Democratic women?

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    1. no..but I think democratic women can take care of themselves quite ably. One of the hosts you air, Randi Rhodes, described Hillary Clinton as a whore, yet you still air her show,yes? I like Randi on the air, but it's a good question. BTW..I'm not a democrat, Hillary Clinton just finished four years as Sec'y of State and is preparing to run for President. Nancy Pelosi is still in power and Sarah Palin is fading into oblivion..guess it didn't matter what Lee called any of them in terms of having a negative effect. The genius of the marketplace of ideas is that it allows even the ideas we hate to be heard.

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    2. Christine - you wrote a book about the way you were demeaned as a woman. You filed a lawsuit because of this. Is it somehow okay when a fellow broadcaster - rather than an executive - does it? Rodgers was not expressing ideas. He was expressing hate and trying to instill that same hate in others. The fact that he may have a "right" to do it doesn't make it okay does it? It also doesn't mean that you should be defending or worse complimenting him, right?

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    3. Let me respond to your comment about Randi. She said it in a live show not on the radio. She was not abusing the public airwaves or the public the way Rodgers did on a consistent basis. Also, she expressed remorse for what she said just as Ed Schultz apologized directly to Laura Ingraham for calling her a "radio whore". I am not aware that Rodgers ever apologized for his much nastier remarks. Pretty relevant distinctions wouldn't you say?

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    4. @Christine - I'm still trying to understand why your comments regarding Lee Rodgers are all positive. You call him a "straight-shooter," "a classic," and "well-prepared." This is a man who used his media power as a radio talk show host to refer to various women as "skanks," "ugly," and one on at least one occasion a "pig." WTF?

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  32. If any of you were listening to Barbara Simpson on KSFO "Hot Talk" 560 this weekend, she announced his death and had kind and warm words to share about Lee Rodgers.

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  33. If some fellow t.v. broadcaster had called me an evil,ugly whatever, I would have had no cause of action. This is something that you, Hal, as a lawyer know. If Lee Rodgers had been an employer who demoted a woman broadcaster because of her gender, he could have been and should have been sued.
    Lee Rodgers won't know that I'm complimenting him for being a crusty classic....he's dead.

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    1. Well Christine, I'd like to compliment your former bosses who demoted you. They were crusty classics!

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    2. yeah, one of them who had no problem going on the air doing station PSA's had a remarkable resemblance to a famous actor..Roddy Mcdowell in full makeup for "Planet of the Apes." Melanie Morgan, who worked with me at the time, will remember which one. It was a fact that two juries couldn't help but notice....sooooo funny

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  34. @Christine - I never said you had a lawsuit against Rodgers, I'm making the point that he used language (quite frequently I might add in public) that in other circumstances gave rise to a lawsuit that you filed. You've acknowledged that such language failed to elevate our national discourse. Indeed, it is beyond peradventure that it coarsened it leaving us all losers, yet you refuse to condemn Rodgers for it. Why do you think that is?

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  35. I sued, Hal, way back when because I was told I had to play dumb to make male peers look smarter. See Title VII...Civil Rights Act. This was in an employment scenario. I'm not aware that Lee Rodgers was ever an employer who did similarly, thus the difference.

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    1. Again a reminder of Christine's famous lawsuit, her claim to fame and perpetual martyrdom.

      A quick reminder for those just tuning in. Christine won at trial but lost the appeal. Thus, she lost. Here is where she always pipes in, no I didn't lose because blah, blah, blah...

      The 8th Circuit Court ruled in favor of the defendant, Metromedia. Her opponent won, she lost, that's called losing.

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    2. Losing? you mean like the 49'ers?
      Hal, who is also a lawyer,brought up my federal lawsuit against Metromedia,not me. I think you are just jealous because you didn't get to be a guest on three very funny segments of the David Letterman show.
      As for winning two jury trials and losing on appeal at the 8th c. and the writ to the Supreme Court which Justice O'Connor wanted to hear, did you get that from my book? Did you also hate Curt Flood? He was a baseball player who sued over free agency. He lost his case. His efforts, however, created a boon for all baseball free agents..look it up.He signed a baseball for me with a very special message.Unfortunately my lab, Brinkley ate it.
      Here's another clue, martyrs don't fight back. Curt Flood fought back and so did I.

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    3. Yes, exactly, just like the 49ers lost the Super Bowl, Christine Craft lost her case against Metromedia.

      The 49ers played the Baltimore Ravens in the Super Bowl. The Ravens won, the 49ers LOST.

      Christine Craft sued her employer, Metromedia, Inc.
      Craft won some early rounds in district court BUT lost in the end at the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals which reversed the lower court and entered judgment for Metromedia. Metromedia won, Christine Craft LOST.

      Oh sure, the 49ers outscored the Ravens in the 3rd quarter BUT THEY LOST THE GAME. No prizes for moral victories. One side wins, the other side loses.

      Congratulations Christine on getting to be on Letterman but that doesn't changes the outcome of your case.

      Oh, and by the way, just filing a law suit and losing doesn't make you Curt Flood anymore than riding on a bus will make you Rosa Parks.

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    4. Lawsuit is one word. I wrote a book about winning, not just "a couple of rounds", but two jury trials which were two years apart. I did this with no money, pitted against the billion dollar corporation which later became the Fox network.I can't fathom your disregard for the equalizing effect of juries, but you are entitled to it. Juries are supposed to be the fact finders. They hear all the evidence that the judge allows in. They observe the demeanor of all the witnesses. I was on the stand for many days and many hours, as were the defendants. When this particular federal case ascended up to the appellate level, the issues had to do with whether jury fact-finding should be honored. That is a constitutional question, not a question about women and t.v. news. See Bill of Rights.
      Curt Flood and I immediately upon meeting, recognized in each other the same passion to change circumstances in our individual fields of endeavor. I'm the daughter of a coach and I was a network sports reporter at CBS, long before I worked at the local station in Kansas City. Metromedia Kansas City knew I had been at CBS doing sports, and yet wanted me to pretend I didn't know the difference between the American and the National league. I felt that was an American birthright regardless of gender. I still do, though I am not now, nor have I ever been a fan of the DH.
      In the aftermath of Curt Flood's losing legal challenge to free agency rules,free agency and huge salaries for ballplayers are now a fact of life. In the wake of my much-publicized Title VII case, there are now women ( Diane Sawyer who is my age, for example anchoring the most successful newscast in the country) who keep their jobs well after age 40. At the time we were prepping for the first trial, there was no woman in the United States anchoring a network affiliated newscast over the age of 39.I'm delighted by that advancement for American women, in such a relatively short time. Many men in the t.v.news biz had written me over the years about how my case, and more importantly the dialogue that it triggered, made it possible for them to have a real profession, as well.
      Now you hate that, so hopefully you will never be a beneficiary of it.
      Did you really think that when I wrote about the 8th c. and SCUS jurisprudence, that I thought the results had been different?
      Fortunately for me,Royce Carlton brought me aboard as a lecturer, one who could crack audiences up with factual descriptions directly from court transcripts of the shenanigans of t.v. consultants behind the scenes of news organizations. I was privvy to so much delicious and explicit detail and I spared none of it at hundreds of colleges, universities and law schools across the nation,being named one of the top five collegiate lecturers in the country.What's that rolling stones line about getting what you need, not necessarily what you think you want?
      Btw, when I was demoted at KMBC, two weeks later the ratings came out. For the first time in three years, they had gone from number three to number one , exactly what I had been hired to facilitate.
      The original reason for this thread, the newly deceased Lee Rodgers and I got along, even with obviously huge political differences, because neither one of us was shy and retiring,victims or martyrs. Lee lost a leg early in life, but chose not to be a woe-is-me victim. I like that in a person.
      Finally,I'm betting you wouldn't know a district court and what specific issues are brought before a district court,from a hole in the ground.

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    5. Christine lost her case but got to go on Letterman as a consolation prize. Cool.

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    6. Wow, from Christine's lengthy diatribe I gather she's finally acknowledging that she lost her case.

      Love the stream of consciousness tirade, particularly the part implying that she and Curt Flood are somehow equivalent. One difference is that Curt Flood was good at what he did, playing baseball.

      Well, at least she didn't compare herself to Joan of Arc, Jackie Robinson, or Nelson Mandella!


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    7. finally acknowledging? I wrote a book about it, you boob.. Curt Flood and I absolutely had a similar experience. Jackie Robinson and I didn't. Nelson Mandella??? really? Mandella? check your smartphone again..there's no such person.

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  36. KRXAHal, you make an excellent point. I will allow Christine to answer for herself - I'M SURE SHE WILL. But allow me to answer from the perspective of someone who has observed her frequent comments here.

    Christine isn't really concerned with Rodgers, she's making a statement about herself, she's saying: I's so important and knowledgeable, I knew Lee. he was a friend of mine, because I'm so special I alone am able to appreciate what a great, sensitive man he was, and now he's dead and no one cares about him, but I the noble, heroic Christine will defend him even now when he is tragically departed.

    The reality of who he was and his objectionable politics doesn't really matter. It's all about Christine.

    Oh, and one other small thing. Christine has to be the most humorless, self-important person on the face of the earth.

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  37. Wow...sounds as if this lee rogers guy was somethin' special in the bay area. I just moved here a few years ago so I never heard of the dude. It's nice to know that you're remembered though, and Rich should make a copy of all these postings and e mail them to Lee Rogers family.

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