tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post1615731324301542995..comments2024-03-28T13:34:48.560-07:00Comments on RICH LIEBERMAN 415 MEDIA: KCBS, More SpecificallyRich Liebermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18174495340920055435noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-77332329467261133692013-12-30T14:46:08.666-08:002013-12-30T14:46:08.666-08:00I used to work at KFWB, Los Angeles, and we requir...I used to work at KFWB, Los Angeles, and we required of our reporters to file three different versions of a news story. KFWB was the "You Give Us 22 Minutes, We'll Give You The World" station that ran three 20-minute newscasts an hour. We would air these packages every other cycle, thus with three filed variations, the same version would only air in repeats once every two hours - more than enough time for the listenership to cycle through. Moreover, depending on the news volume of the day, most packages were pulled after having cycled through 3 to 4 times total.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-85062810509469722462013-12-26T14:25:31.367-08:002013-12-26T14:25:31.367-08:00The only time I listen to KCBS is when I'm stu...The only time I listen to KCBS is when I'm stuck in some hellacious traffic jam ... and they confirm I'm stuck in traffic.Slamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03975869306467456737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-28932917533102184012013-12-26T10:46:10.103-08:002013-12-26T10:46:10.103-08:00Larry Lujack was one of the best. And a young Gil ...Larry Lujack was one of the best. And a young Gil Gross made the ::55 ABC news as interesting as the legendary news intro stinger... More should and could be said, but no need to challenge the "approval" process with personal remembrances. So it goes....kitynpurrsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-62695208890537940262013-12-26T06:17:05.005-08:002013-12-26T06:17:05.005-08:004:08: Amen! One of my pet peeves too. 4:08: Amen! One of my pet peeves too. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-55078889312900610562013-12-26T06:14:35.216-08:002013-12-26T06:14:35.216-08:00I get so fed up with Dave Ross's predictable s...I get so fed up with Dave Ross's predictable self righteous and sarcastic lectures that I turn off KCBS as soon as he comes on. I wouldn't mind if they occasionally carried a commentary with a different point of view, but they don't. So I switch off. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-69594083473683320332013-12-26T06:09:26.558-08:002013-12-26T06:09:26.558-08:00Frank, I regret I can't quote the sources off ...Frank, I regret I can't quote the sources off the top of my head, but I have seen articles about the kind of studies and surveys that 10:28 mentions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-45581135656736479712013-12-26T01:27:01.737-08:002013-12-26T01:27:01.737-08:00I started tuning in to KCBS when they had live loc...I started tuning in to KCBS when they had live local talk shows, and they still kept up with the news. I never have forgiven them for switching to the repetitive all news, all the time format and my listening habits suffered. Instead of listening to it all night long, I turn it off after 1/2 hour. Same with the 12/11 hatchet job at KGO, once they changed their format, I stopped listening on a regular basis.<br /><br />The reason why radio stations are losing their audience is that with massive syndication, proliferation of hateful-sounding talk hosts, and the repetitive and boring "all news' formats, people are unable to interact and develop a connection with any particular station, so they turn to the internet. <br /><br />Personally, I think that if a radio station in the SF market would turn back to 24-hour local, live programming, it would probably trounce the canned stations in the ratings. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-25108741934833295972013-12-24T16:08:05.321-08:002013-12-24T16:08:05.321-08:00I log up more hours per week on KCBS than on any o...I log up more hours per week on KCBS than on any other local station. It's always on in my car, any time I'm circumnavigating the freeways and it's on my home office radio during the work day. I accept the fact that I'll hear stories go around and around, since I'm an atypical listener. If there's an important news item and it's not getting touched upon each quarter hour, it's a disservice to a typical listener. IMHO.<br /><br />By and large, I think that KCBS has a totally professional, well seasoned, air staff and they "do the news" the way that it should be done.<br /><br />That said, my two gripes are: (1) that they routinely cut off the morning airing of Stardate, to slip in more ad content or to catch up with the clock. Yeah, I'm one of those freaks who likes to hear about things that take an IQ of over 100 to appreciate. (2) Their Production Manager is on a one-man campaign to make all of us talk about the freeways like they do in Los Angeles. Here, we have a traffic backup on Hwy 17, we don't have a traffic backup on THE 17. Part of moving to a new area to pursue one's profession is to become acclimated to the new area. You're not in Southern California anymore; we don't talk that way here. We have 17, 101, 280, 680, etc. We don't have THE 17, THE 101, THE 280, THE 680, the junctions of THE 580 and THE 680 (as some current ad copy says), etc. This has been covered in the local print media in years past and the consensus of opinion was that the superficial article "THE" isn't used in this situation.Del Thomasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-22026432643878401312013-12-24T12:51:26.720-08:002013-12-24T12:51:26.720-08:00Running a Dave Ross commentary or a Charles Osgood...Running a Dave Ross commentary or a Charles Osgood report means you also have to run the network commercial that comes attached to it. That network spot likely brings in less $$ than a local spot. The network spot diminishes the station's overall per unit spot figure when they calculate the monthly report.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-52357899068454709192013-12-24T11:20:39.009-08:002013-12-24T11:20:39.009-08:00Really? Please share the sources of the studies. Really? Please share the sources of the studies. Frankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03775078235638123776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-23146414711884183642013-12-24T10:28:04.633-08:002013-12-24T10:28:04.633-08:00Nice try 1:36, Repeated studies and random surveys...Nice try 1:36, Repeated studies and random surveys have shown Tea Party, or Libertarians to be the most fully and accurately informed of all political opinion groups. Libs score higher on confidence albeit artificially based.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-2288967450326884202013-12-24T10:01:00.923-08:002013-12-24T10:01:00.923-08:00Why explain these things to people who don't l...Why explain these things to people who don't listen?danonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-11699190928697482012013-12-24T01:36:34.883-08:002013-12-24T01:36:34.883-08:00I am "shocked" just "shocked"...I am "shocked" just "shocked" that most Bay Area Tea Party members don't listen to KCBS...let alone any news, as they have an aversion to reality and real time information.<br /><br />Tough to have a dialogue with folks who are defiant and even proud of being under informed/uninformed on the issues and actual state of things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-88741391088083169432013-12-23T23:22:42.824-08:002013-12-23T23:22:42.824-08:00Pat Thurston Alert!
Pat will be on for Ronn Owens ...Pat Thurston Alert!<br />Pat will be on for Ronn Owens this Thursday, day after Xmas.<br />Don't miss her...No one else local can hold a candle to Thurston.<br />Pat's sharp as a tack...with a beautiful voice!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-39807531582438922002013-12-23T22:47:43.307-08:002013-12-23T22:47:43.307-08:00I grew up listening to KYW 1060 and WCBS 880 back ...I grew up listening to KYW 1060 and WCBS 880 back East and it's to my understanding that these all news stations are designed to the AQH (Average Quarter Hour) of 22 minutes as WINS-AM says to the present day "Give us 22 Minutes and We'll Give You The World". I like the No-Frills format that these stations provide.Eric Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13337150491868507548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-19003226341513691222013-12-23T19:35:23.987-08:002013-12-23T19:35:23.987-08:00> The other side of the coin is that there'...> The other side of the coin is that there's nothing else to report, <br />> and you must fill the time somehow, so they repeat stuff.<br /><br />There's always more news. There isn't the personnel to report it, because that costs money. I've never worked in a newsroom that "ran out of news." What's amazing to me is I'm betting I'm younger than almost everyone here, yet I remember how more news used to be covered, just five to ten years ago. There have been seismic shifts in how well-informed people are in the last decade; huge stories are being shoved under the rug. I seriously doubt if Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, Iron-Contra or many other milestone stores would be noticed today. But everyone notices the anchor's hooters.<br /><br />We get the democracy we deserve.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-82115634867193762612013-12-23T19:27:15.644-08:002013-12-23T19:27:15.644-08:00Rich: Something is better than nothing. KCBS is n...Rich: Something is better than nothing. KCBS is near. To listen to REAL news, we would need to wait for night fall and tune in KNX 1070. When we get another all news station, then will be the time to compare. I have noticed that KQED also repeats stories about each two hours. <br />Keep doing your job Rich. KCBS is all we got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-28663511293960936012013-12-23T15:56:22.787-08:002013-12-23T15:56:22.787-08:00I remember Gil being in the WLS newsroom when Luja...I remember Gil being in the WLS newsroom when Lujack and friends were on WLS (back when stations had to do news).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-68866802599937518932013-12-23T14:31:28.340-08:002013-12-23T14:31:28.340-08:00Most of us Bay Area Tea Party members don't sp...Most of us Bay Area Tea Party members don't spend much time at KCBS if given a choice of stations. I suppose they perform a service, alterting people to local traffic jams and such. What many of us are excited about is hearing a favorite voice back on the air, even if just as a temporary fill-in. Geoff Metcalf "former" Marine and Green Beret, social conservative filled in for The Barbara this weekend. I refer, of course to Barbara Simpson; erstwhile National Treasure and roustabout. Geoff has a great radio voice, and is used to the timing that paid commercial segments demand. Geoff is a good storyteller as well. I just wish he wouldn't pepper his language with the sh-t word so frequently. You will find him often using that word in his metaphors, analogies or extrapolations. I understand that sometimes, no other word is quite as useful to show disgust or distain , I'm just not always wanting to embrace the visual imagery that Geoff's expressions invite. I hope he sticks around. Am I correct in that El Frosty is having his airtime reduced starting in January? I believe that I could survive that change. Meanwhile, Tom Sullivan still not returning my calls.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-13436281265988542282013-12-23T12:58:38.165-08:002013-12-23T12:58:38.165-08:00The rule in the industry--whether true or not I do...The rule in the industry--whether true or not I don't know--is that most people listen for about 20 minutes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-83661728682755879282013-12-23T12:57:28.847-08:002013-12-23T12:57:28.847-08:00CNN tries the "news without rant" and th...CNN tries the "news without rant" and they're dying in the ratings. People want everything today to be sensational. Do you pay attention to TV and movie promos? Everything is SHOCKING! SENSATIONAL! STUNNING! We seem to want to be electrocuted every minute of our lives anymore, and it's no different than a drug addiction. It should be investigated as such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-2030881912368214402013-12-23T12:46:26.305-08:002013-12-23T12:46:26.305-08:00Wasn't Larry Lujack in the Seattle (or Portlan...Wasn't Larry Lujack in the Seattle (or Portland) market in the '60's? Sorry to hear of his passing if it's the guy I remember from back then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-18977080761621320032013-12-23T12:44:36.200-08:002013-12-23T12:44:36.200-08:00The other side of the coin is that there's not...The other side of the coin is that there's nothing else to report, and you must fill the time somehow, so they repeat stuff. Even the CBS network updates are always the same, so it's not just KCBS. However, there should be different versions of each story (three versions, minimum) that they can cycle through. Reporters gather more than enough material to do that, and it would break up the monotony. It's funny, though: this scenario reminds me of Top 40 stations that play the same box of records over and over again. All radio formats are the same.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-73508545637543817572013-12-23T12:20:58.566-08:002013-12-23T12:20:58.566-08:00Off topic but Larry Lujack passed away. Anyone tha...Off topic but Larry Lujack passed away. Anyone that lived anywhere near Chicago will remember Larry or "Super Jock" as he was known from the 70's when he ruled the airwaves on WLS and WCFL. I lived in Ontario, Canada and both stations were loud and clear at night. Larry was one of the best! I am pretty sure that Gil Gross worked with Larry.Donnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4029870750479192711.post-30012141167471392892013-12-23T12:17:15.103-08:002013-12-23T12:17:15.103-08:00Hi Rich,
I'm almost never in my car for more ...Hi Rich,<br /><br />I'm almost never in my car for more than an hour at a time (SF to Santa Rosa; SF to San Jose; SF to the Marin coastline) - which is about the right span of time to listen to KCBS without repeats.<br /><br />When I'm home, the only reason I listen to KCBS is if there is a particular bit of news I need to keep up to the minute about: transit strikes, power outages, bad weather warnings, things like that. Otherwise I listen to KCSM or KDFC (or KNBR, KSAN, or KTCT for ballgames), or I just put on a CD.<br /><br />Talk radio has become just too polarized and hot-headed - just like our government has. There's no civilized discussion any more, just ranting. From both the left and the right, I might add.<br /><br />Who needs that shart?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com